# Brain fog and fatigue **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Tags:** stories, treatment\ **Created:** [July 5, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461 "2020-07-05T21:12:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 6:33pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/21 "2020-07-07T18:33:08Z")
optimistic, I love your sense of humor! It has been noted before that elongated styloids do look a lot like elephant tusks. A very thick one would indeed look more like a rhino’s horn. I also enjoyed your perspective of the styloid being stuck in as an afterthought. That’s a first but made me laugh! 😂 As far as pain meds for post op patients, opioids are usually prescribed PRN for the first week-month after surgery. Many people have found they don’t need that level of medication & can simply take Extra-strength Tylenol (acetaminophen) instead. Most doctors recommend staying away from ibuprofen for abt 10 days post op since it’s a blood thinner in addition to pain reliever. If the pre/post op nerve pain is intolerable then nerve pain meds such as Gabapentin (Neurontin), Amitriptyline, & others can be prescribed. There are two families of nerve pain meds - anti-depressants & anti-seizure meds. There are many sub-categories w/in each of those so if one type doesn’t work, another in the same family can. It can take some trial & error. We do have a number of members who take nerve pain meds to keep themselves more comfy. As much as we hope surgery will be the perfect cure for everyone, it isn’t always, & some lingering nervy symptoms can persist hence the need for low dose nerve pain meds. ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/22 "2020-07-07T19:37:03Z")
No not yet I waiting for another appointment with ENT Last time they said it was wisdom teeth But not much wisdom in my skull ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2020, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/23 "2020-07-07T19:55:14Z")
I love your sense of knowledge I received a anti inflammatory jab after a cat bite, it was unbelievable how effective this was Can’t take in tablet form as it is too hard on the stomach Getting a Dr to listen has been the hardest part, ENT told me it was wisdom teeth And I wait for a ENT appointment again so I still have not yet a proper diagnosis but I know 100 percent what it is So I asked the Dr if he knew what Eagles Syndrome was? He said no, so I asked him if he gave me €50 I will enlighten him So he googled it I showed him instructions on how to feel my tusk with a finger but he declined and admitted it was a strong possibility. Another Dr told me ‘go home and suck it up’ Probably thought he was treating a vacuum cleaner with a full bag of dust? My nose is big but not that big So I wait And I keep reading stories on here I am grateful for all the feed back Is reassuring to read all the positives Wish i could snap this bone and withdraw it through a small hole in the mouth and save me all the hassle If i can cut my own ingrown toenails how hard can it be? I’m still in the shock stage of how gruesome this bone looks when its been removed, and how much trouble the little b#####d causes! ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2020, 8:14am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/24 "2020-07-09T08:14:56Z")
I’ve been away so am joining your discussion a bit late! I had bilateral jugular compression caused by the styloids- because the jugular veins were being squashed, blood could go into my head okay, but not come out, & that raises the pressure in your brain (intracranial hypertension). I had brain fog, a constant off balance feeling, dizziness, feeling a bit drunk all the time, tired…pretty much what you’re describing. So it could be caused by ES. As others have suggested a CT with contrast / CT venogram would be helpful to show what’s going on. Hope you can get some answers soon… ---
**Author:** ![Natty04](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/natty04/32/3296_2.png) [@Natty04](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Natty04)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 3:59pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/25 "2020-09-18T15:59:38Z")
Hey Optimistic I just want you to know you are not alone. I get severe and I mean severe derealisation or spaciness (whatever you want to call it) I honestly thought I was going mad! I went from a very sporty active 32 year old to a cabbage for the past 2.7 years. It’s hell and you are not alone I constantly feel 24/7 like I have a plug or tight band deep within the back of my occiput and neck that is stopping flow and my brain and head and eyes feel like they are imploding with pressure and I’m woozy, floaty but heavy feeling all at the same time. My visual spaciness improves slightly late at night with low lighting. If I stand from kneeling I get a rise in pressure up through my neck, throat and head and I’ve said it from early on before I even knew about jugular compression or any of this. That it feels like a river of fluid trying to push through a pin hole. When it reaches my head I go severely dizzy then I can hear this rythmitic whooshing of fluid like a Doppler. Voomp voomp etc I have endless other symptoms but the spaceyness and physical visual feeling like I’m detached/ dreamlike/drunk is with me 24/7 in varying degrees I pray for you that this nightmare will end once you have surgery. Just wanted you to know you are not alone with this symptom ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/26 "2020-09-18T20:58:14Z")
Thanks Natty04 Is really sad to here how bad you are with still no real diagnosis I feel for you and all the other sufferers, on here ,and we all try to trying to carry on as normal. We got to keep on going, that’s the hardest for me,I thought after a cycle last night that my heart was going explode, work today was torture , all I wanted to do was take drink and drown my sorrows, but I didn’t and I must work tomorrow , massage helps , I can restrict blood flow very easily almost to the point of passing out, by pushing on the bone, I have a wooden bed with a round pole at the foot end Rolling my neck on this side to side helps Are you any nearer to a diagnosis? The penny dropped for me when the bone started to poke through the mouth If it hadn’t then I would still be treated for fibromyalgia possible MS being a hypochondriac anxiety and other things. My injured cat bit the other week so in A&E they gave me a anti inflammatory jab and this was the best I had felt in a long while Fatigue momentarily was gone, don’t know why, maybe how I twisted, not sure I split logs with an axe otherwise we couldn’t cook on the stove, the amount of anger I put through the axe is astounding As difficult as it is to exercise I still do out of spite If I listen to my body I’d never get out of bed Thanks for your response and prayers I pray you get sorted soon as possible too If I could get financing I would trade these worn out body in for a 2020 model I need a rewire, complete overhaul and a new engine, can’t start in the morning, down on power paint is faded and the exhaust is blowing. I feel sad for us all ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 6:35am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/27 "2020-09-19T06:35:45Z")
Maybe steroid/ lignocaine injections into the styloid area would help you, as the anti-inflammatory injection helped? They help some members, but not everyone…I don’t know if your doctor would do that- or if you could get another appt with him without waiting mo ths?! ---
**Author:** ![Natty04](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/natty04/32/3296_2.png) [@Natty04](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Natty04)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/28 "2020-09-19T09:41:14Z")
Thanks @anon22211586 I’m hoping I’m close to a diagnosis of vascular eagles, from what my imaging shows. But not 100% until they tell me next week It’s a rough rough old slog isn’t it! I can’t drown my sorrows away as alcohol makes my head and vision even worse but great that you didn’t. Alcohol will only make you feel worse. I relate to your comment about exerting yourself. The more I do the worse I am but sometimes I push myself too hard because I can’t stand these symptoms having a hold on me. Oh yes a new brain sounds wonderful and new body If it’s on offer. What we would do to have energy and a clear head again eh! Good luck ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/29 "2020-09-19T21:38:03Z")
And to you also Sounds like it won’t be long before you find out? Finding out made a big psychological difference to me I hope it does for you It’s a hard slog but we are hard enough to take it Fight on! ---
**Author:** ![RBeacher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ac91a4/32.png) [@RBeacher](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/RBeacher)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 9:17pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/30 "2020-09-20T21:17:29Z")
Thank you for great summary of issues encountered and explained by ES. I am new to ES, but just had what may have been my worst week of brain fog ever. Hit every day of week. Would come on with aura like a migraine and last from 30 minutes to 6+ hours. For me, ok for a few hours than same again. Have been having this for years, but meds for other medical issues allowed me to be better for a year, until 2020. Then problems really exploded. I am replying to this text thread, but could have stated same thanks to many other posts for connecting dots. I am bilateral 6+ each and bilateral calcification. What I am most thankful for at this time is a great set of reference `symptom descriptions`. Worst is when you’re trying to describe all issues to a Dr and lose them after 1 or 2. I also find those that try to help me confused why I can’t real all symptoms off top of my head. In a lucid moment with a good friend that helped me realize how long I have had these issues, various specialists at a loss for answers and personal will to ignore it and try and enjoy life like I used to by ignoring them and being positive even when you could break down sobbing any minute if you ignore reality. Works until it gets progressively worse & worse. Again, true thanks to all contributors of discussing brain fog and fatigue. Cuttingbthis short as losing functionality quickly again ---
**Author:** ![onelessstyloid](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/onelessstyloid/32/2100_2.png) [@onelessstyloid](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/onelessstyloid)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 1:50am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/31 "2020-09-21T01:50:01Z")
Hi RBeacher, I too have experienced frequent atypical migraines (not pain but foggy, surreal feeling) from ES. Initially I thought this was too high a dose of gabapentin, but eventually I figured out that they were helped by more of the drug (plus some caffeine). I hope you get some answers soon. ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/32 "2020-09-21T13:07:28Z")
RBeacher we can relate to what you are going through I’m at work this morning and was ok , now the switch has been moved and I’m only fit to drop Is like dragging around a ball and chain Is like bad blood in the brain or I’m stoned or something It can wear you out , symptoms vary for me depending on where the bones are But we can’t be beaten, wish I could give us all a cure remedy, boil up rats blood and mix with these herbs and bingo we are sorted I tried it and only gave me the shits The rat died for nothing We have to get the bones removed, like the professor said last week If you have ES then the only solution is surgery, and not intraorally he stated Hope you get sorted soon as I’m looking at broken trucks and all I want to do is lie in bed now and stare at the ceiling 💪🏻 but I can’t Fight on We drag you along if you fall down ---
**Author:** ![Snapple2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Snapple2020](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Snapple2020)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/33 "2020-09-21T14:24:27Z")
😆 🤣 😂 ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/34 "2020-09-21T14:58:08Z")
The bus don’t leave until everyone is on board plenty of space above your seat for the bags of meds you bring with you, no one gets left behind😂 And you must sing a long to the bus driver Es tour bus stopping in a town near you. Is a mystery tour, don’t know yet where we going yet. Best suggestion gets to sit at the front and pick the songs ---
**Author:** ![Snapple2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c89c15/32.png) [@Snapple2020](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Snapple2020)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/35 "2020-09-21T14:59:40Z")
I want what your on! ---
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/36 "2020-09-21T19:58:16Z")
Hey optimistic, Any word yet from the surgeon who may be helping you? I know you may have to wait a bit, but it sounded like Prof Fenton was going to try to push things through faster for you. ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 12:38pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/37 "2020-09-22T12:38:22Z")
Hi Isaiah I’m waiting on Dr Spoc and his team of clingons in Cork to evaluate my condition In the meantime I sit here kind of spaced out with brain fog wondering will I be able to put in a six day week , or not🥱 ---
**Author:** ![sigmet25](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@sigmet25](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/sigmet25)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/38 "2020-09-22T19:31:52Z")
Hi optimistic, vagus nerve compression can cause fatigue. As it plays a role in wake/sleep cycles among many other things. It exits the skull with the internal jugular vein and in some cases of ES can be compressed between the styloid process and transverse process of the atlas. ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/39 "2020-09-22T21:20:49Z")
Hi sigmet25 It has to be, I don’t even know when my stomach is full, I’ve eaten a ton of food and still starving my brain has communication problems with my organs for sure. We don’t live on a bus route otherwise I’d throw myself under it! It’s getting worse Going to Dr Spok and have scotty beam me up Need to gain a bit more strength and push on. Thanks for the reply Need to be absent from my body for a while ---
**Author:** ![anon22211586](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@anon22211586](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/anon22211586)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461/40 "2020-09-22T21:27:23Z")
I’m grabbing a pile of nuts , climbing into a big oak tree with some fake animal skins and hibernating See you all spring time next year 🤪 [Previous page](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/brain-fog-and-fatigue/7461.md?page=3)