# Eagles or HBS symptoms? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [November 4, 2025, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109 "2025-11-04T21:43:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2025, 11:35pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/21 "2025-11-18T23:35:17Z")
I’m honestly surprised that steroid injections aren’t available in France. Maybe ask your neurologist about steroid injections to see what (s)he knows. ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/22 "2025-11-18T23:47:42Z")
It’s available, but not for the hyoid area since they’re not familiar with that syndrome. I’ve seen at least three ENT specialists, and when I mentioned HBS, they thought I was crazy.. ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:05pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/23 "2025-11-19T13:05:24Z")
So frustrating how much treatment varies from country to country! I’m sure there’s some research papers about HBS, it might be worth getting some translated and printed out to show an ENT? Here’s a link to the Research Papers category: [Latest General/Research Papers topics - Living with Eagle](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/c/general/research-papers/30) ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 1:29pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/24 "2025-11-19T13:29:14Z")
I’ve seen at least 3 different ENT specialists who tell me I don’t have eagles, and who don’t know about HBS, that’s the problem, they think it’s all psychological, one ENT specialist told me “women have more psychological problems”.. ---
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 6:30pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/25 "2025-11-19T18:30:41Z")
> [@Calista21269](#): > > one ENT specialist told me “women have more psychological problems”.. That is RIDICULOUS!! Unbelievable gaslighting!! Why can’t they just say they’re not familiar with the syndromes & show interest in learning about them vs making you feel unheard & dismissed?! It’s just not right!! ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 7:42am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/26 "2025-11-20T07:42:45Z")
Unfortunately, I don’t understand some doctors… it’s a real struggle to get a diagnosis.. ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2025, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/27 "2025-11-20T15:30:05Z")
I’m sorry that you’ve been dismissed like this, is such an easy way to get rid of a patient instead of actually looking at scans! 🤗 ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 9:32am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/28 "2025-11-30T09:32:40Z")
I finally had my neck scan with contrast injection. I couldn’t view the images myself on Radiant because I don’t have access to my computer until next week. My husband, who doesn’t know much about this kind of thing, looked at them and sent me this. What do you think of these images? It looks like the hyoid bone, especially on the right side, is touching the carotid sheath ? ![Screenshot_20251128_161215_com.android.chrome_edit_172382083321091](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/a/a890d34fe27eee6ded595802ac6a9f0067e6d3b8.jpeg) ![Screenshot_20251129_144559_com.whatsapp_edit_172375025038801](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/6/6079909ec2efc155f1a3931f1489fd23697e185b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/29 "2025-11-30T20:08:38Z")
It certainly looks close, & it’s easy to imagine each time you turn your head that movement could bring it into contact, but sometimes the scans from this angle can be a bit deceiving. The axial view can show the impact on structures better. The hyoid processes are quite long though! ---
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:09pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/30 "2025-11-30T20:09:47Z")
@Calista21269 - It looks like the greater horns of your hyoid may be touching your carotids on both sides depending on your head position. There’s no obvious compression in the images you sent, but , again, that doesn’t mean it’s not happening when you turn your head left/right. ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:38pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/31 "2025-11-30T20:38:38Z")
Thank you for this , next week I’ll have access to my PC and I’ll be able to look at the good images and post them again. ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/32 "2025-11-30T20:42:49Z")
Even without moving my head, I have throat symptoms like discomfort, dysphagia, especially on the right side, difficulty moving my tongue and talking, and other symptoms like occasional pain in the hyoid bone, cartilage, soft palate, and under the chin because my tongue is tense. And when I move my head, I sometimes get dizzy, but I don’t know if that’s due to CCI or something else.. ---
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2025, 8:52pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/33 "2025-11-30T20:52:05Z")
The dizziness is likely from your carotid(s) being irritated. ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2025, 12:05am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/34 "2025-12-01T00:05:03Z")
Yes maybe its possible.. ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2025, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/35 "2025-12-11T18:13:50Z")
I’ve taken more images from my CT scan with contrast injection; can anyone tell me if they see any indication of hyoid bone syndrome please ? ![IMG_20251211_182928](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/b/bf92483c79b8e8341a7584536ad1441d99c35ad2.jpeg) ![IMG_20251211_183016](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/7/74cd2aa864fecc19d357158256d1ed4ad68816fe.jpeg) ![IMG_20251211_184319](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/8/86470d1f8cb68fe3d134e2e92882fe143f0112e9.jpeg) ![IMG_20251211_184402](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/c/cb54b181e143d70bd878607507beed869732eb67.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Isaiah\_40\_31](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/isaiah_40_31/32/3054_2.png) [@Isaiah\_40\_31](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Isaiah_40_31)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/36 "2025-12-12T01:07:09Z")
@Calista21269 - I’ve annotated a couple of the images. It does indeed look like your left & right hyoid greater horns are in contact with your carotid arteries. The right lesser hyoid horn appears to be calcified & a bit longer than normal. The left side, too, but less so than the right. With your greater horns contacting the carotids, it seems you could have HBS. ![IMG_20251211_183016](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/4/42cc85f6c643aa50835ef8ae3e466192d1b2e854.jpeg) ![IMG_20251211_184402](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/uploads/ben_eagle/original/2X/f/f6930c648a8fe44feb56f5decb6569655164bd11.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2025, 5:35pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/37 "2025-12-12T17:35:15Z")
@Isaiah_40_31 has been very helpful labelling your images, I agree with this, from the angle of your images it does look like the hyoid processes could be irritating your carotid arteries, around the carotid bifurcation area. ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 11:07am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/38 "2025-12-15T11:07:32Z")
Thank you for your comments. So you think I should probably have the HBS surgery? You don’t see a slight compression of the jugular vein on the left by the atlas, or is that just my impression? ---
**Author:** ![Calista21269](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/calista21269/32/13220_2.png) [@Calista21269](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Calista21269)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 11:12am UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/39 "2025-12-15T11:12:26Z")
Near this bifurcation is the hypoglossal nerve; could that explain my tongue problems? And regarding the soft palate, which is irritated by the glossopharyngeal and vagus nerves, can the vagus nerve be irritated at this level? Because the glossopharyngeal nerve is higher up. ---
**Author:** ![Jules](https://yyz1.discourse-cdn.com/flex027/user_avatar/forum.livingwitheagle.org/jules/32/404_2.png) [@Jules](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/u/Jules)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2025, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109/40 "2025-12-15T18:09:30Z")
> [@Calista21269](#): > > You don’t see a slight compression of the jugular vein on the left by the atlas, or is that just my impression? I can’t see that area clearly enough in your images to comment on any possible compression… The glossopharyngeal nerve does have a branch which goes to the carotid sinus, so does go to the level of your hyoid bone processes. The vagus nerve runs down the length of the neck too. And the hypoglossal nerve does affect tongue function too, yes. Re Dr Dewan, who never got back to you, this might be helpful from @YcrowY & @Isaiah_40_31 [Hyoid Bone Syndrome - NEW DOCTORS TO CONSIDER - General - Living with Eagle](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/hyoid-bone-syndrome-new-doctors-to-consider/21564) [Previous page](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.livingwitheagle.org/t/eagles-or-hbs-symptoms/21109.md?page=3)