ES Story, bilateral, IJV Compression

Hello, after suffering for roughly 20 years from this insanity I finally got a diagnosis and had surgery last week. I’ll share my story and can also give additional updates and information if anyone is interested.

Symptoms:
-strange feelings in my upper neck and head area, constant pressure, pain and feeling squeezed inside my head and other really unpleasant feelings
-constant dizziness, the feeling you get when you read something while driving in a car
-fatigue, was physically fit but my head was feeling so heavy and tired, could not focus on anything and just wanted to sleep all the time, but sleeping did not help
-strong headaches usually on my left forehead
-tightness deep in my jaw area
-sometimes pain and strange sensations in my throat

Story:
The Symptoms started in my childhood when I was around 10 years old and got gradually worse. At the beginning it was just some strange pressure feeling in my upper neck and jaw area, this got stronger and stronger and after a few years fatigue and dizziness started to occur, which really made my life hell. I somehow managed to get through school but when I started to study at a university I could not take those symptoms anymore.
At this point I began my journey to get rid of those symptoms, I went to every doctor possible to get everything ruled out, at first it was the harmless stuff like neck muscles or stress issues and later on I checked through every rare diagnosis. I was housebound at that point so I spent all my time searching through the internet, when I eventually found ES. I immediately thought that makes sense that could be it, although I did not have many issues with my throat, which is usually common in ES. So I ordered some X-Rays from my dentist where I could see the elongated Styloids. At first I thought I am almost there now but too bad I could not find a single doctor who knew even remotely enough about ES to help me. Most ENT doctors heard of it but thought it is so rare and since I don’t have any major throat issues it is almost impossible to be ES. So after another few frustrating years of trial and error I eventually reached out to a ES specialist in Germany whom I found on this website. I sent him my CTs and had an online appointment in which he confirmed the diagnosis.

Diagnosis:
Right side: elongated styloid process which presses on my internal jugular vein.
Left side: calcified stylohyoid ligament.

Doctors:
Nils Heim: he offers online medical consulting which is very useful if you do not have an ES specialist in your area, you just have to send him your pictures. Although he is a surgeon himself, at that time he did not perform surgery so he transfered me to his collegue dr. Markus Martini.
Markus Martini: He was the surgeon that performed the surgery together with Sarah Neering
Sarah Neering: Second surgeon

Both surgeons are highly specialized in ES surgery, they usually perform ES surgeries together, it is one of their routine procedures, they even developed their own technique. So far they never had any compliactions in a ES surgery, which I found very impressive. I can highly recommend those surgeons, they are both very friendly and highly competent. They are even conducting a study about ES, in which I gladly participated.

Surgery:
They removed the right sided elongated styloid process and the calcified ligament on the left side, they did both at the same time. They usually remove only one side and wait for the other one at least 3 months, but since I had a somehwat long travel time they agreed to try both sides if everything goes smooth, which it did.

After Surgery:
Had to spend 2 nights in the hospital, both sides were a bit swollen but nothing grave, took some pain meds to sleep those 2 nights but afterwards I could do without. Now 1 week after the surgery most symptoms have already improved:

Dizziness: Gone, disappeared pretty much the first day after the surgery.
Fatigue: Still present, today I felt a bit better but this might take some time.
Pain/pressure feeling: Better, I got some new pain from the surgery itself which is still present, so it is a bit hard to distinguish, but so far I can already say it is definitely better than before the surgery.
Headache: I got some minor “headaches” at the same place I got them before but much weaker and they only lasted a few minutes.

Since much of those sensations lasted that long and are engraved into the pain memory, it can take a while for them to completely disappear. The doctors told me it usually takes a few months.
Although I still experience some pain (probably partially because of the surgery) it is a different kind of pain and I feel like the first time in 20 years I can finally relax my body again which was almost impossible before since I had so many highly unpleasant sensations in that whole neck/head/jaw area. I felt completely tensed up, like being choked and squeezed, it was the worst…
I hope this nightmare is finally over, time will tell.

I wish everyone the best on their Journey.

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WOW! All I can say is you did an amazing job of researching & advocating for yourself until you finally found the right doctors who could help you end the nightmare you’ve been living. I’m so sorry for all you went through & the misery you lived since you were 10 years old. We’ve only had one other member who was that young when he had ES symptoms.

It’s very helpful that you mentioned the team of doctors who did your surgery. Dr. Martini is already on our Doctors List, but Dr. Neering wasn’t so I added her as working w/ Dr. Martini.

I’m glad you’re feeling so much better, but I must tell you that you’re in early recovery & pain can start coming & going again as the nerves recover. It can take up to a year or more for the nerves to heal completely. IJV compression can recover in as little as 2 weeks but can also take up to 9 or more months. Recovery from ES is a slow process that can require patience. I trust that you will heal well since you already feel so much better but just wanted you not to feel discouraged if you go through more painful periods as your healing progresses.

Please continue to update as time passes. We love to read about success stories & are here if you have some rough road ahead during your healing process.

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Thank you for the nice encouraging words. :slight_smile: I will give an update in around 2-3 months.
And I am glad you could add another doctor to the list, Sarah Neering definitely deserves to be mentioned she is an amazing doctor.

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I’m so sorry that you’ve had symptoms for so long but well done for not giving up & for persevering until you finally had surgery! And it’s great to hear that you’re already seeing improvements, having surgery bilaterally is a tougher recovery, but good that it’s over and done with…I hope you keep on healing well and seeing even more improvements!
Excellent that we have another doctor to add to the list, a shame that you had to travel though!

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@TomTomson - Amazing news so far. When you’re suffering that much even feeling partially better this soon after surgery I’m sure is a massive relief. Can I ask, did you feel like you were being strangled inside your own neck? And if so, was this due to the vascular compression?

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Hello, to be fair I can’t exactly tell you what caused those symptoms, like you only feel those sensations and can make guesses what might cause it. It was a very stiff feeling in my neck/head/throat region with a lot of pressure and squeezing sensation in that area, but my guess is that this sensation might be from the pressure caused by the ES in general but not necessarily from the vascular compression itself but again I can only make guesses.

This pressure sensation is still present now although less intense.

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Hi TomTomson,
Thank you for sharing your experience. Can you tell me what state the surgeons reside? I will be looking for your follow up posts in the next 2-3 months. I will soon need to have the surgery.
Best,
Lydia

@lydiah - @TomTomson is in Switzerland.

Hello, yeah as Isaiah said I live in Switzerland and I had my surgery done in Germany.

Now 1 month after surgery I still feel some pressure/tightness in my neck/throat area which most likely comes from a muscle in the front of my throat which has been compressed by the styloids. That muscle feels pretty tense, I can somewhat exercise that muscle by doing slow head / nod movements which seems to help slowly relax that muscle. It got a bit better so far but I think this might take a few more months to completely normalize.

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Once everything has healed @TomTomson , perhaps you could massage the muscle gently , and it might be possible to get physiotherapy to help you relax the muscle. I hope this keeps on improving.

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Hi, unfortunately I have a bad update but I gotta clear things up to not give people in a similar situation false hope.

Now, 5 months after surgery, my symptoms are almost the same. I think I may have felt better because a) placebo, I think this played a big role, especially for symptoms like dizziness and b) as it now turned out I suffer from instability in c1 and c2, I could not move my head much the first weeks after the surgery because of the stitches, swelling and stiffness. This may have helped with those neck symptoms.

I am of course really sad that the surgery did not resolve my problems, but it was worth a shot and also I has to eliminate this possibility. Also the doctors told me, that often times you only know if the styloids really cause the symptoms once they are removed.

Atlantoaxial instability is unfortunately much more dificult to treat, because you can not just remove a bone and be done. As of right now the only options available are injections to the ligaments to make them heal or if that does not help you have to get surgery. I will try the injections first of course because fusion surgery sucks. But finding someone who can perform the injections to the ligaments which have to be performed through the mouth into the neck is not easy.

I whish everyone who reads this all the best on their journey.

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@TomTomson - I’m terribly sorry to learn that your styloidectomies didn’t provide you with significant symptoms relief. Healing from ES surgery can take up to a year, so you could still make some forward progress toward having symptoms go away. Based on what you said, though, it sounds like your AAI has also been a significant contributor to the remaining symptoms so you’re next step is to get the injections & maybe try some physical therapy to help strengthen your neck muscles.

There are several people on our forum who have looked into PICL therapy for treatment of AAI/CCI. It’s been very helpful for some but others said it didn’t help much. It’s like so many other therapies & even ES surgery - it’s worth trying because it could make a huge positive difference for you, but that’s not guaranteed.

Here’s a link for the major US clinic that started PICL but there are other clinics doing it now, too. Maybe you could get some information from them about a clinic in your country that is doing the treatments.

I found these links which might be helpful, too: Welcome to the Institute for Regenerative Medicine • IREM | Institute for Regenerative Medicine • IREM | UZH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6TwgacVNy8Here is an interview w/ Dr. Centeno & a German patient on YouTube:

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I’m so sorry too that your surgery hasn’t helped…it’s so frustrating when there’s an overlap of symptoms, and hard to know what to treat first. We’ve had some discussions about whether ES surgery makes the instability worse, some have found it does, others not noticed any difference. Like you say fusion surgery is not something to be undertaken lightly either, & that often make ES worse too, so it’s a bit of a catch22!
There’s another doctor in Hungary mentioned in this discussion if that’s any help:
CCI best treatment options? - General - Living with Eagle
Please let us know how you get on, thinking of you…

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Thanks for the replies, yeah it really sucks that there is an overlap of symptoms, all you can do is start excluding one possibility after the other. I heard about the clinic in the US that offers the CCI treatment, unfortunately thats a long flight from Switzerland and also I heard it is pretty expensive (around 20k). So I think I will first check out the providers in Europe since they are much cheaper, unfortunately there are not many but still a few.

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