Question About C1 Shave

I am having surgery this morning, without the C1-shave. Unfortunately, I could not find a surgeon locally, who is experienced with the procedure. So, 7 months after Costantino suddenly dropped off the face of the earth - with no explanation or apology - I will be having the styloid removed by Dr. Coniglio. He, along with my cardiologist, believes that, at this point, the best course of action is to remove the styloid without further delay. I agree.

After years and years and years of misdiagnoses, indifferent doctors, fighting with insurance, and a litany of symptoms that have left me sick and shut-in since 2018, the time for surgery is long overdue. Please pray for me, for Dr. Coniglio and his surgical team, and for my family. Thank you.

3 Likes

I’ll keep my fingers crossed🤞🏻
It’s a big procedure, and I hope everything will go as smoothly as it can possibly be.

2 Likes

I’ve had your surgery date on my calendar since you first posted it @CoHDa. I woke up during the night & prayed for you early this morning not knowing what time your surgery was. I hope it went extremely well & you’re now on the road to recovery. I look forward to your first post op update. I have high hopes that we can add Dr. Coniglio onto our Doctors List.

:pray: :hugs:

2 Likes

Praying for a successful surgery and a good outcome for you :pray:
Let us know how you are when you can :hugs:

2 Likes

Thank you for your well wishes and healing energy, @vdm, @Isaiah_40_31, and @Jules. I drifted off in the operating room bopping my toes to “Boston’s More Than A Feeling”. Moments before, I heard one of the nurses say that Dr. Coniglio has great taste in music. I said I agreed with her and briefly contemplated a horizontal air guitar solo, but thankfully the anesthesia stopped me. Complete :clown_face:

If I remember correctly, I woke up some time around noon and shortly after received a fist bump from Dr. Coniglio. He removed a 4 cm styloid right up to the base of my skull and indicated he’s very pleased with how the surgery went. My mother later told me he provided her with greater detail, but she’s not known to be an active listener. In general, all she heard was that I survived and was in recovery. I’ll have to wait for the detailed written report and photos to be uploaded to my e-record.

At present, I’m not in any significant pain, mainly thanks to a significant helping of intravenous Dilaudid. I have a fat lip, which I was told is likely due to the placement of the tracheal tube, but there is otherwise no sign of any irritation of or harm to the nerve. The inflammation in my neck has slowly subsided as the day has passed, making it easier to swallow, however, I won’t be graduating from liquids, lemon ice, and jell-o anytime soon.

The other big win of the day was snagging the largest single room on the top floor of the hospital’s new inpatient wing. It could probably accommodate a party of 40-50 people and a jazz trio by moving the sofa, armchair, and the hospital bed out to the hallway. The huge bathroom/wet room is big enough to maneuver 2 or 3 wheelchairs and looks like something showcased in Architectural Digest. The treetop view from the giant picture window is icing on the cake. Even so, I’m looking forward to going home tomorrow.

Good night, friends. And thanks again!:first_quarter_moon_with_face:

4 Likes

Wishing you quick and uneventful recovery!!

1 Like

So happy for you. Looking forward to updates when you are feeling up to it.

2 Likes

Wow… you’ve been through the wringer, @CoHDa. Hope you have a very smooth and quick recovery. You deserve some sweet relief!

2 Likes

Glad the surgery is over, take care of yourself and praying for a good recovery :hugs: :pray: :bouquet:

2 Likes

I’m so glad all went well for you. May your healing be speedy & your symptoms disappear without a trace!
I’ll also look forward to your updates.
:hugs:🩷

2 Likes

Checking in on you, how are you feeling?

1 Like

Hey, @lilwider (and forum friends)! I should be asking you the same. How are you feeling???

Like everyone else before us, I am taking recovery one day at a time. I was just really glad to get the hell outta the hospital. When an aide walked into my room carrying a post-op plate of pork, that was bad enough, but I had no idea how much worse things were going to get later that night and the following morning.


The plate of eggs and toast delivered the following morning didn’t even make it 5 steps into the room before I shooed the same aide out of the door. I got the discharge green light at 9:17 AM and was promptly on my way home at 9:50.

All in all, my diet in hospital consisted of 4 lemon ice cups, intravenous hydration and Dilaudid as well as a cup of water. I didn’t get the lemon ice until the shift changed after 10 PM, when a more attentive nurse and nursing assistant duo came on duty. Even so, I didn’t get much sleep, if I got any at all, due to the noise. One doctor who was on the unit was such a loud-talker that, without any prompt, the nurse came into my room at about 1:30 AM, pulled up YouTube on a monitor, and found a 10-hour video of white noise without ads. She kindly cranked the volume, but that still did little to drown out the talking and constant noise of alarms/alerts going off at the nurses’ station all night.

Moral of the Story: Take ear plugs, noise canceling headphones, Ensure, and Naked Juice to the hospital!

The first day home wasn’t too too terrible as far as pain and swelling. I chose not to take the liquid oxy that Dr. Coniglio prescribed and instead alternated crushed Tylenol and Advil every 3 hours. The meds were mixed with either cottage cheese or yogurt, because I needed some protein in my system. That and because apple sauce does nothing to kill the bitter taste of crushed pills.

It was the following morning that I was pretty certain I was going to die from asphyxiation due to inflammation, choking on my own saliva, cardiac arrest, panic-induced misadventure, or some combination of the 4. I contemplated calling Dr. Coniglio or 911. My fear was being taken back to the same hospital that tried to kill me with pork or being taken to the hospital just down the road where the outcome likely wouldn’t have been much better. Maybe a shot of epinephrine from a helpful fireman was all I needed, but did I want the spectacle still being relatively new to the neighborhood? Dilemmas, dilemmas.

I made a call to Dr. Coniglio’s office, and thankfully he was in seeing patients that day. He took the call and said I didn’t sound good. I was struggling to get air in through my mouth (I’m not a mouth-breather, just how I was gauging the rate of swelling) and also trying to make sure Plan B - breathing through my nose - was still viable. The inflammation was also shutting down my left nostril. On top of that, the constant clearing of my throat and coughing (aspirating?) along with hacking up phantom phlegm (from being intubated?) had shredded my throat. My soft palate was so swollen, I couldn’t even see the back of my throat, let alone beyond my molars.

Dr. Coniglio said he’d literally been poking my esophagus, feeling out the situation with my c1, and apparently did some northern exploring for Yeti while he was in there, so he’d call in a prescription for a steroid to calm the raging inflammation. Unfortunately, I think he must’ve forgotten, seeing patient after patient that morning, because it took 2 hours from the time I spoke to him for the pharmacist to receive the script and hand it off to my irate 83-year-old mother, who’d been sitting in Walgreen’s for an hour waiting. At 83, you don’t have a lot of time to waste, especially if your kid is sick, even if that kid is 57. Granny on fire! Mercifully, it didn’t take long after the first dose of Prednisone to notice some relief.

Moral of the Story: Do NOT leave the hospital without a prescription for Prednisone!!!

Now that the inflammation is under control, I am more cognizant of the fact that I have no feeling in the left side of my lower lip all the way down to the incision that runs from just below my left jaw/earlobe to my frenulum and sits back about 2 or so inches from my chin.

Aside from being numb, there is some paralysis of my tongue that went unnoticed until I stuck it out while looking in the mirror and saw that it pulls left and sits higher in the back of my throat than the right side does. While I can now swallow, it is still a tricky proposition regardless of whether I am eating or drinking. Small bites of soft food need to be carefully chewed and helped down into my esophagus with liquid, otherwise the food, no matter how soft (and even well-chewed), will sit at the back of my throat, until I either wash it down or cough it out, and then try to swallow it again.

And then once that is accomplished - meaning once I’ve managed to eat without choking myself unconscious - there is the clearing of my throat, the coughing, and hacking up of phlegm. Even though the phlegm is clear, I do intend to check in with my primary provider to inquire about a chest x-ray. I do not need a case of aspiration pneumonia on top of everything else.

I’m guessing the phlegm is coming from a bit of aspirating due to the issues with swallowing and likely because, as Dr. Coniglio indicated, he was pushing my esophagus around. I’m sure being intubated didn’t help matters and just added to the irritation. As much as I have the urge to take some cough medicine, I’m not sure that’s the best idea given the circumstances, so I’ll wait to speak with my primary tomorrow.

Apologies that this is so long, but I’m trying to get it all out while I can think of it, in case it’s useful to someone else at some point.

The last couple of things I’ll touch on are what’s changed since the surgery, my new diagnoses, and what I learned about an old diagnosis or lack thereof just shortly before being wheeled into surgery. First, the constant ear and jaw pain are gone. Bravo! Unfortunately, the pain behind and just above my left eye remains. That is possibly an indication that fibromuscular dysplasia (FMD) rather than VES is the culprit. So, removal of the styloid and decompression of my jugular vein resolved some of the symptoms. However, unlike VES, there is no treatment for the FMD discovered in my carotid and vertebral arteries. It is what it is, for now.

I was hoping that, once I’d been de-boned and flipped Eagle syndrome the bird, I’d be done with medical mysteries and chronic illness. The worst of it is over - knock on wood - but now I’ve got to get on top of FMD and learn if it’s hiding elsewhere in my body. Because FMD is a rare connective tissue disorder in the presence of a couple of other long-standing diagnoses that point to Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, I’m obligated to head back to genetic counseling. It seems VES surgery wasn’t the silver bullet, but rather the first domino in position to topple the rest.

And last words for the evening, before being rolled into surgery, I had a lovely conversation with a delightful anesthesiologist, Dr. Rosenfeld, a wise and well-trusted older owl like Dr. Coniglio. He’d reviewed my medical history and complications with anesthesia. Actually, it was one complication that has not since been duplicated. We talked for a surprising good while. He actually pulled up a chair, sat down beside my hospital bed, and crossed his legs comfortably during what felt like a very casual and friendly chat with an old friend.

After listening intently to my ordeal living with a brain injury that no physician has ever fully acknowledged (except my neuro-optometrist) or given even a provisional diagnosis, Dr. Rosenfeld very gently but firmly told me I’d suffered a stroke, mild, and yet still, a stroke. I think it shocked him just as much to hear that not one specialist had ever mentioned it as it did for me to hear it for the first time.

The brain injury happened in 2011, and just like with VES, it took a random moment by a caring physician to do what scores of others had failed to. I have learned so many things throughout this long journey, things I had not expected to learn, and likely never would have if not for VES. But mainly, I’m reminded of the quote from The Sound of Music, “When the Lord closes a door, somewhere He opens a window.” I would have never guessed VES would be that window.

Moral of the Story: Don’t lose hope. “For everything there is a season, and a time for every purpose under heaven.”

Peace and Wellness,

CoHDa

2 Likes

@CoHDa -

Thank you for the very thorough, & in part humorous, retelling of your hospital & post op experience so far. I’m glad for the helpful new info you received from Dr. Rosenfeld & also that Dr. Coniglio was in his office to get that prednisone Rx to you. We frequently recommend that our members request prednisone if it’s not Rxed along w/ pain meds prior to surgery because it’s so helpful w/ post op swelling. I’m sorry you didn’t read that info here before your surgery & suffered from so much post op swelling.

A note of great import - you’re in very early recovery. Symptoms that remain including the eye symptoms you mentioned may yet resolve. It can take up to a year for injured nerves to heal, but by 6 mos post op, most of our members have a reasonable idea of which symptoms will resolve. Since the trigeminal & facial nerves are often irritated by ES, & both can cause eye symptoms such as those you’ve mentioned, it may not be necessary to rush off for further FMD studies until you’ve given yourself a bit more healing time i.e. a couple of months at least. I had both of those symptoms for my left eye, & they did resolve over time after surgery.

The tongue symptoms you’re experiencing post op as well as some of the other throat & palate problems are most likely because your glossopharyngeal nerve was irritated during surgery. I also had those. My tongue was half paralyzed after my first styloidectomy & took about 9 mos to recover. I totally sympathize w/ your eating challenges. I spoke like I was drunk & had to stick an eating utensil or a finger in my mouth to remove food that wandered to the paralyzed side when I ate as it would get stuck there.

Regarding the diet issues in the hospital, most hospitals will accommodate special diets so if you let them know up front that there are things you prefer not to eat, they will offer alternatives that may be more acceptable. Should you have another surgery/hospital stay in the future, be proactive about expressing your food choices so you don’t suffer from hunger while there.

I’m very sorry to hear that you’ve had a stroke that went undiagnosed for so long. I’m glad you have that information now in case it’s useful in the future.

Please remember that ES surgical recovery can be a 3 steps forward, 2 steps back progression. Do not get discouraged by this. It’s your body’s way of getting you to take a few steps back from your activities during healing. Icing your neck will be helpful in reducing your inflammation as well - 15 min on & 45 off w/ a thin towel between your neck & the ice pack. We recommend gel ice packs because they conform well to the shape of your neck.

Thank you for the quote from Ecclesiastes. It will forever hold true. I hope as you are in this season of healing, you’re able to feel at peace & trust your body’s ability to heal, knowing that we’re here to answer questions & give you support always.

:hugs: :pray: :heart:

2 Likes

I’m glad for you that you’ve survived the ordeal of the swelling & that the steroids have helped! I had no sleep after surgery either, it’s grim staying in hospital, how you’re supposed to get better with that & the food I don’t know!!
I second what @Isaiah_40_31 has said about recovery times, it’s very early days as yet so hopefully you’ll see lots more improvement to come! The eye pain could still be nerve related…
I’m glad that the doctors were kind, and that your head injury concerns have been validated!
Take care of yourself & take it easy, God bless :hugs::pray::bouquet:

1 Like

You are such a font of wisdom and support to this forum, @Isaiah_40_31. Thank you!

This journey has so many moving parts that, even when I think I have fully coordinated everything (health and home), I quickly realize something is out of sync or has fallen through the cracks. But considering that I am a team of one, I think I did a pretty decent job of getting my house in order before surgery, apart from the prednisone fail.

I absolutely did read here on the forum that some folks have needed prednisone post op, whereas others have not. I was hyper-focused on the pain aspect rather than inflammation. I had prepared my bedside with OTC NSAIDS and such, filled my fridge with yogurt, cottage cheese, apple sauce, popsicles, ice packs etc. etc. etc. Even my cats were assured that they had all the catnip, treats, and litter they need to survive their hooman’s long recovery.

Bills paid? Check.
Yardwork/Gardening done? Check.
Laundry/Cleaning done? Check.
Legs/Underarms shaved? Check. Check.
Will/Proxy updated? Check.
Pain meds? Check.
Prednisone? Crickets.

The styloidectomy was my 4th big surgery in 13 years, and the only time I required prednisone post-op was due to a severe allergic reaction to the chlorhexidine used to prep my shoulder for decompression surgery. That said, the lesson for me this go-around is that even if I don’t think I’ll need prednisone following some future procedure, it’s better to have it ready and not need it after all, as opposed to desperately needing and not having it at all. Lesson learned? Check.

I really appreciate the recommendation not to set any conclusions in stone yet about what the surgery has and has not accomplished. You’re absolutely right. It might be that the persistent pain behind and above my eye is due to FMD. Then again, the pain might also be fully and finally resolved, once and for all, in six-month’s time or a year.

Even so, I do need to move forward with finding out if FMD has taken up residence in my kidneys and/or my digestive system. If so, it would explain a lot, particularly in the case of decades-long digestive issues. And unfortunately, I have an immediate family member who has kidney disease, so it would behoove me to be proactive and get some answers about the state of my own kidneys.

In a short while, I’ll be calling to speak with a patient advocate at the hospital concerning the lack of care I received from the nursing staff. I was encouraged to do so by two friends, who are also fellow parishioners and members of my church’s support group for people living with chronic illness. One is a physician, the other a nurse, and both were appalled when I shared the full details of my overnight stay.

Dr. Coniglio, too, was displeased when he learned I’d been brought a tray of solid food post-op. He shook his head and clearly remarked that that should not have happened. Someone dropped the ball concerning my post-op dietary needs and did so again when the oversight was not corrected the following morning in time for breakfast.

A couple of blunders aside from the dietary fiasco included leaving me in the hospital bed without access to a call button and having to ask five (5) different nursing staff members for an icepack before one finally arrived 45 minutes later. The fourth staff member I asked simply brought me a cup of ice and didn’t return.

As for the call button, I had to bellow several times through a closed door before I finally got the attention of the nurse assigned to my care. Having to raise my voice loud enough to get the attention of a nurse who is at least 20 feet away and on the other side of a closed door is bananas. Having to do so shortly after being wheeled in from recovery is even crazier. The call button, as it turned out, was left hanging on the wall behind my hospital bed, well out of reach.

All of that and then some is, mercifully, behind me now. After today, I have one more day of prednisone, and I return to infusion treatments tomorrow where the nursing staff is spectacular. I’m armed with new information about the stroke - perhaps an early symptom of FMD - and am now simply looking forward to a peaceful summer of recovery and long-awaited relaxation (finally!) in my new home.

Thanks to you and to all who helped me summit Mt. Eagle.

:sunrise_over_mountains: :house_with_garden: :sunflower:

2 Likes

@CoHDa - You are definitely in the Wonder Woman category! I’m not a “get all my ducks in a row” before a major event person. I’m a “roll with the punches” gal :joy:. Your way of doing things makes much more sense, of course, as it allowed you to arrive home to order rather than semi-order or chaos & that is a giant step toward getting a jump on recovery.

I am so, so sorry for the horrible hospital experience you had. Sounds like what one might conjure up in a nightmare prior to surgery. I agree that there’s only so much you can prepare for in advance & beyond that, there will be things that are forgotten & discovered later. I think you did admirably with your self-advocation all the way around & apologize for any insinuation otherwise that my post may have had. I can’t imagine how frustrating & painful it must have been for you to be in a room behind a closed door w/ no way to easily communicate with the outside world short of yelling. Speaking with the patient advocate at the hospital is a fantastic plan & hopefully will provide much needed info that will help other patients have a more positive experience there.

I’m sure your kitties love & appreciate you & will stay by your side to help you heal. :heart_eyes_cat: I was dog sitting my in-law’s papillon when I had my first surgery. He’d been trained as a therapy dog when he was younger & he curled up on my lap as soon as I got home from the surgery center & became a permanent fixture there as long as I was on our recliner. His presence was quite soothing.

You are indeed wise to follow-up on the other aspects of FMD. Always good to find out earlier than later when something that serious may be playing about in your body. I hope the testing has negative results. Please keep us up to date on what you learn about that.

Here’s to happy, healthy, peacful, fun-filled days ahead as your body vanquishes the symptoms of ES.

:hugs: :pray: :heart:

2 Likes

Oh wow I’m glad your surgery is behind you. I’m sorry to hear the hospital stay was not pleasant. That is so unfortunate about not knowing you had a stroke.I’m hoping you can start your healing journey, though it sounds like you still have an uphill battle ahead. I’m hoping not-maybe it’s just so much inflammation and trauma from surgery? We could only hope! Ive been thinking of you and I’ll be praying that things get better for you soon! Me… Things are progressing for the worse and I’m just waiting for my day… I will keep everyone posted once that day comes. But for now I have learned what I can do and what I can’t and know I have to be careful and patient. Hang in there- sending a hug

3 Likes

Wow, you are super organised! I hope that the steroids have done their job and that now you can get on with healing; a new home too? You have had lots to deal with! :hugs: :pray:

2 Likes

It has taken me longer to reply for which I apologize. It was important to me to be well-organized in advance of the surgery, @Isaiah_40_31 and @Jules, because I had no idea what kind of shape I would be in once I got back home. I am so glad I took care of what I did beforehand, so that I was able to focus solely on my recovery during the first 2 weeks post-op. As it turns out, I have been tending to several complications that have left me exhausted and with little to no energy to attend to anything else.

In addition to the extreme inflammation, my incision began to weep, which I became aware of when I happened to touch my neck and was surprised to discover that it was wet. I also discovered a huge lump, the size of a golf ball, under the incision. Dr. Coniglio’s PA called in a prescription for an antibiotic and told me to apply heat to the incision to help it drain. Eventually the heat loosened the adhesive on the surgical tape covering the incision, and I was able to gently pull it off. What I saw underneath the tape did/does not look good, at all.

I took pictures of the wound - it does not look like an incision - and sent them to the office that evening knowing I would hear back the following morning. Sure enough, even before the office opened the next day, 3 different staff members were reaching out to me to come into the office. Dr. Coniglio was in surgery, so I saw one of the PAs, Megan. She examined and then cleaned out the site. Thankfully, it is not infected, but it’s not healing properly either, and that large lump sitting under the incision is a post-surgical hematoma. I return to the office again this Friday so Megan can check on my recovery progress.

All those complications are bad enough, but the actual worst of it is the incessant coughing and phlegm that have kept me from getting a decent night’s sleep. I don’t have a cold or the flu. COVID tests have come back negative as has the chest x-ray to rule out pneumonia. Cough medicine has done little to calm the hacking. So, for now I am at the mercy of a trachea irritated by intubation (at least that’s the theory).

All of these complications might seem like random bad luck, but I’ve learned that they are also suggestive of Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, e.g. severe inflammation, poor wound healing, post-surgical hematomas, skin sensitivity to virtually any kind of adhesive, irritated trachea due to intubation. FMD can also be found in the presence of EDS, which is a connective tissue disease that can affect skin, eyes, internal organs, and the vascular system. It’s a good thing I already have an appointment on my calendar for a follow-up with my dermatologist next week.

@lilwider I am happy to see that your time finally arrived and that you too flipped Eagle the bird! Hopefully, your recovery is far less eventful, assuming you have no underlying health issues to complicate matters.

That’s all, for now. I pray everyone is getting the answers and care you need or at least you’re getting closer.

Courage!

3 Likes

WOW! @CoHDa!! I’m very sorry for the rough & a bit scary start to healing that you’ve experienced. I’m also sorry that your symptoms may be indicative of EDS which can link to FMD. It’s tough enough getting one rare diagnosis without adding others to the mix. Now that your incision is being attended to more diligently, I hope it heals in earnest. Please let us know what you learn from your dermatologist & the follow-up for FMD. I hope you’re on more solid surgical healing ground going forward.

2 Likes