Symptoms have resolved 80% after leaving toxic mold!

Hello! I wanted to provide an update about a surprising turn of events.

Last month, I found a TON of black mold (stachybotrys, aspergillosis, and penicillium) in the home I’ve been living in for the past 2+ years. The picture is in the basement of the house, and is only a portion of the mold that was found.

Some background: I’ve been diagnosed with IJV compression/venous outflow insufficiency and ES. Currently, I have surgery scheduled with Dr Hepworth on Dec 5th.

Last October is when my symptoms worsened significantly and became debilitating. I didn’t realize this until after we found the mold, but that is the same month I moved my work desk from my bedroom on the 2nd floor, to the living room against the same wall (just one level above) as the mold pictured. I work full time from home and was spending 40 hours a week at my desk.

I have of course been going down many rabbit holes related to toxic mold. What I’ve learned is that mold is a hyper-coagulant (it thickens blood), which is interesting because Dr H found more compression near my upper extremities and referred me to a vascular surgeon for TOS eval. But I felt like there was more systemic compression going on since I have had weird vascular symptoms in my stomach and legs too.

I also learned that mold can affect all 11 of your body systems, but everyone reacts to it differently. I’m definitely at one end of the spectrum in terms of having extreme sensitivity. I have other roommates living in the house still who have not been affected at all.

I’ve been out of the house for a little over a month now, and my symptoms have improved significantly. My most severe symptoms were daily-ish pressure migraines/high ICP and fatigue. I’ve had only a couple bouts of high ICP since leaving the house. My fatigue has improved by probably 70% or so. I told my friend the other day that I forgot I was morning person! I had been having very severe shortness of breath, even from simply talking. And that’s totally gone now! Brain fog has improved by about 50%. Many of my other symptoms are still lingering (like digestion issues and muscle weakness). I also learned I have kidney and spinal cord damage (which can be caused by environmental toxins like mold/the mycotoxins it produces), but we don’t know the extent of it yet.

I’ve been in contact with a woman who, like me, has/had venous outflow insufficiency / pressure migraines and severe toxic mold exposure. She’s also a patient of Dr. H. He did sinus surgery on her recently (not a styloidectomy) and she said it has helped her tremendously. It all makes me wonder how many of us might be being exposed to toxic mold that’s causing or exacerbating our symptoms.

I’m still in disbelief that I’m feeling so much better. I’m in the process of following up with all of my specialists (neurologist, nephrologist, ophthalmologist, etc.), but haven’t had any luck getting through to Dr Hepworth’s office. I was hoping to hear what he thinks and if it’s worth it to do any new scans / imaging. Regardless, I do think it makes sense for me to push off the surgery for now given how much better I’ve been feeling. I’m working with a functional neuro doctor to detox the mold from my system, bring down inflammation caused by the mold, and restore the flow in my body (blood flow, lymphatic, etc).

Just wanted to share and would be curious to hear if anyone else here has had a similar experience with toxic mold!

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Great to hear how much you’ve improved!

I’ve always been curious to learn more about how mold exposure and other chronic infections like Lyme disease can cause or contribute to these problems.

Suppose I was exposed to mold around the time my symptoms started and I then I moved away from the house where the mold was. Would I be expected to automatically improve substantially or would I need to take additional measures to detox or heal from the mold exposure?

In other words, if I moved away from where I may have been exposed to mold several years ago, could it still be causing me severe problems?

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Thank you!

They say the most important thing is to move out of / leave the moldy environment. I think whether/how quickly/to what extent you feel better simply from leaving depends on a lot of factors. At a high level, even if you are no longer around the toxic mold, your belongings would be contaminated with mold spores—which are microscopic—unless you have decontaminated them with special supplies and protocols. In addition, your body can stay “contaminated” in two ways: through colonization and/or through mycotoxins (the various toxins mold produce). Most people can generally detox naturally, but around 25% of people have a specific gene (the name is escaping me rn) that prevents them from being able to do so. In this case—and maybe even if you’re not apart of that 25% but have experienced severe and/or prolonged exposure—it’s usually recommended to work with a functional medicine doctor or another provider that is knowledgeable on detoxing from mold. These providers are usually not typical western medicine practitioners who often times have little understanding of mold and its health impacts.

To help you detox, Functional med dr’s usually use a combination of mold binders (like charcoal) and other supplements and IVs. Hyperbaric chamber, anti-inflammatory diet, sauna/exercise, and fresh air are also supposed to help.

this is my current understanding, anyway.

there’s a really helpful website called survivingtoxicmold.com !

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@Rlr286 - YIKES! :scream: That’s quite a mess! I’m really glad you found that & were able to move away from it & are experiencing such a great remission of your symptoms. I’m actually glad to know how well you’ve recovered just getting away from the mold as I have concerns for one of my family members who may be suffering from mold exposure. He’s moving to a new place & hopefully will see some return of his health & energy though I don’t think he’d go so far as to see a functional medicine doctor for help. :slightly_frowning_face:

Regarding getting ahold of Dr. Hepworth’s ofc, we’ve learned that it still takes persistence. I’ve found that calling late morning - 11:30-11:45 am, a person usually answers instead of VM. Later afternoon also works 3:30-4+ pm. It still may take calling 3-4 x in succession to get someone to answer though. It’s frustrating, but I keep hearing they’re working on their phone system so maybe one day things will be better there.

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Thank you Isaiah! Good to know about Dr. Hepworth’s office. Do you know if they’ve gotten contracted with insurance yet?

I hope your family member feels better once they’re in a different environment. I might suggest they try decontaminating as many of their clothes and belongings as able. It is possible to do it yourself with special cleaners. That website I linked above details how you would do that. I’m also happy to share my process if that would be helpful!

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Wow, I’m so pleased for you that moving & going through the decontamination process etc has helped you improve your health so much, it’s incredible…In the UK the effects of mould are just starting to get publicity but no awareness of the scale that I’ve read. Thank you so much for sharing this with us & best wishes for the future, especially if you do have surgery…

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I would be interested in your process of decontamination & recovery @Rlr286. You can PM me to share the information if you want. I bookmarked the link to survivingtoxicmold.com on my computer so I can refer to it & send it on. Thank you for that.

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@Rlr286 Would you mind sharing the name of the doctor who is helping you treat the mold?

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the following was posted to the Eagles facebook group

Hepworth office update. BTW, they are overwhelmed by duplicate emails and requests. Please limit your requests to one.

“Aetna Effective 10/15/24

We are not in network with Aetna Banner Health or Aetna Whole Health

We hope to become in network with Aetna Whole Health in the near future.

Anthem BCBS Effective 11/15/24

Cigna Effective 8/26/24

We are not in network with Cigna Connect. We may become in network at some point in the future.

Humana – We do not plan to become in network at this time

Medicare Effective 11/1/24

Medicaid Colorado Effective 11/1/24

Medicaid Wyoming Effective 11/1/24

Medicaid Hawaii – We are working to become in network

MotivHealth/Custom-Net Effective 8/1/24

Partners Direct Effective 11/15/24

PHCS/Multiplan – We are working to become in network

Select Health Effective 8/28/24

Triwest – We are working to become in network.

Tricare – We are working to become in network. We do accept Tricare for Life Medicare Supplement.

UHC/UMR Effective 11/1/24

We are not in network with UHC Sky HMO, UHC Centura Value Plan, UCH CO Doctors Plan RMHP. We hope to become in network with these plans at some point in the future.”

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Thanks for that info @Andy89316 , very helpful…

Thank you for a great update re: Dr. Hepworth’s ofc! I have an addition to the information you provided, @Andy89316 :

If you can’t get through on the phone & have tried emailing info@denversinuscare.com & gotten no response, you can email Dani the front desk receptionist directly - drodriguez@denversinuscare.com. She told me she tries to check her email between patients & phone calls. Currently, the other front desk person is Liz. She’s there temporarily trying to help w/ the office’s assimilation into the world of many medical insurance plans but is also doing call backs, etc.

I talked to Dani about the frustration that so many patients have with trying to get someone to answer their calls, & she said that people are leaving several phone messages & then sending several emails which fill up the vm & email inbox. She said this often happens over the weekend so on Mon. morning, VM is full & there are too many calls & emails to answer the same day. Perhaps at some point, Dr. Hepworth will have more people working in his front office, but for the moment, unfortunately, patience is key as well as persistence if you don’t get a call back or email reply.

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Oops sorry for the late reply! I just started going to Prime Health and working with Abby McPherson. Coincidentally, she used to work on the immunology side of Veros clinic and knows Dr. Hepworth! she said that while working there, she started wondering more about the root cause of the issues she was seeing and that’s what lead her to functional medicine. It is expensive, but I am giving it a shot and seeing how I feel in 6 months before pursuing the surgery route again.

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I hope it helps you @Rlr286 :pray:

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Hi Isaiah, sorry for the late reply! My update probably won’t be good news. I have tried 3 times to decontaminate a portion of my clothes, but each time I try wearing them, I would get those pressure migraines and extreme fatigue again. I have sadly had to give up for now. I’m putting my clothes in storage and hoping that one day, after I’m done with the detox and my sensitivity hopefully decreases, I can tolerate being around them again. It was a hard pill to swallow. What I tried to do:

First attempt

  1. Soak in warm water and vinegar overnight, wring out as well as possible
  2. Wash cycle with warm water and 3 oz of EC3 mold laundry additive
  3. Wash cycle with warm water and 1 cup of borax
  4. Dry either in sun or in highest heat fabric can handle in dryer

2nd and 3rd attempt

  1. Soak clothes in warm water and EC3 mold laundry additive for 3 hours
  2. Wash cycle with warm water, regular laundry detergent, and 1 cup of borax
  3. Wash cycle with warm water and 1 cup of Epsom salt (no detergent)
  4. Dry either in sun or in highest heat fabric can handle in dryer

Like I said, I did not have success after my attempts and have heard that about 5% of people will have this issue after trying to decontaminate their clothes bc they are hypersensitive (which doesn’t surprise me as my system has overall been very sensitive my whole life).

I’ve heard good things about using ammonia to clean clothes and belongings but haven’t tried that yet. I have used EC3 spray to decontaminate my non-porous belongings (metal bed frame, coat hanger, some trinkets, camera, etc), as well as a hepa vacuum that I bought that is good for getting small particles (Amazon.com - Shark NV501 Rotator Professional Lift-Away Upright Vacuum with HEPA Filter, Swivel Steering, LED Headlights, Wide Upholstery Tool, Dusting Brush & Crevice Tool, White/Red, 12, 18, 14. - Household Upright Vacuums).

Sadly, I have had to get rid of 90% of my belongings—like my bed, couches, wood furniture, TV, which should typically be tossed after mold exposure bc they are impossible to clean fully. Because I am so hyper sensitive, I’m getting rid of as much as I can, but putting a selection of my clothes, books, journals in storage for now. I’m terrified of cross contaminating my new home and having to start all over again. But, my symptoms have been improving substantially and i just have to remind myself that my health is what matters most

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I will keep you all updated! We are working on my gut health a lot right now, as well as using binders to help get the mold stuck in my body out. Mold gets stuck mostly in the gut and sinuses. It’s very interesting, and I wish I didn’t have to know this much about mold :rofl:

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I also have a follow up with Dr. Hepworth on the 21st and I am very curious what he will say. I spoke with Stephanie this week and we rescheduled my December surgery to March for now.

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Thank you so much. Best of luck to you!

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