Covid-19 And Eagle Syndrome

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This night i struggled sleeping because off pain from ES, after the NSAIDS was working properly i drifted a little bit and i started wondering off something.

Im the curiouse one, i always ask why and how.

So, how does COVID-19 affect ES?

the first time i got it back in 2021, it was awfull and sent my system sky rocketing.

And i’ve always been in bed for 14 days when i got the flue because off the pain from ES together.

And also from those who struggle with long covid, how does it affect regarding ES?

Maybe this is not the most intersting topic, but as i said im always wondering about something.

Have a great day !

-Henrik

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The other day I was contemplating about this too…

COVID is known to cause microclotting and some sort of neurological degeneration.

I wouldn’t be surprised that those with slightly affected blood circulation may start feeling much more intense symptoms afterwards.

But ME/CFS is sometimes preceded by some viral infection. Given that some people with vascular ES feel brain fog/lethargy/weakness, I guess there also might be just a coincidental correlation, i.e. there is a possibility that some symptoms might be caused/intensified by COVID in both ES and non-ES groups of patients…

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We’ve had discussions about other viruses etc & how people find symptoms flare with any infection. My guess is that it just adds to the inflammation in that area already.

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The relapses I have had with stronger symptoms of Eagle syndrome were after influenza and pneumonia vaccines and after a stomach virus where I had a lot of diarrhea.
I think that the symptoms of Eagle syndrome definitely come from an inflammatory process of any kind. Now that they gave me contrast medium for the CT scans and venograms because of my contrast allergy, they gave me cortisone and benadryl and I was symptom-free for two days!!! This was interesting.

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@Aleana - It’s most likely the cortisone that helped stop your symptoms for those days but Benedryl could have helped a little, too. Cortisone is a very amazing anti-inflammatory. It’s just too bad that long term use can be destructive to our bodies.

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Funny you mentioned stumach virus, back in 2020 i worked at a chiken factory, hanging them up for slaughtering and further process and offcorse clean up.

The third month in i got infected from bacteria that some chiken have, Campylobacter infection. That was something for itself :confounded:

That was when my symptoms from ES started getting worser than ever before.

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I believe you and I would like to know more about your symptoms at that time and what symptoms you have now. If after that, was it that you were diagnosed or because of what symptoms your styloids were detected.

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My symptoms started 3 years before that, totally i’ve struggled with ES symptoms about 5-6 years. But at the time we are refering to, the symptoms was not that bad. The symptoms started as often migrenes and the same pain you will experience while you have ear infection, external otitis no wonder my doctor tried for several years to treat my external otitis without any changes. But if you chek my profil you will see my other posts about my ES. I will write a full story after i’ve been trough surgery, because it is alot to explain, the struggles with ES have been difficult to manage specially work and career.

I got diagnosed 2-3 months ago because i developed seizure like symptoms, and had to go to a private ENT specialist wich is expensive.

Now when i’ve got alot off help before my surgery i dont experience that much intense pain as before. Now it’s mainly muscular sorness/stiffness. Pain in the jaw and ear but very subtile. Rearly have migrenes and seizures. Before i was struggeling with sleep and “anxiety” symptoms, not so much now because as i say i’ve gotten help and medecine is amazing.

But as this post is about, it was after stomach virus and COVID-19 my symptoms got way worse then ever before.

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You’ve had quite a journey w/ your ES symptoms, @Henrik! The seizures in particular sound very scary but I’m glad they are under control now & that your doctor has helped you find the right medications to help reduce your symptoms.

I know you have surgery coming up. Please remind us of the date. I hope it’s soon.

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Yeah the seizures and the anxiety “attack” is something im thankfull for that it happens very rarely now. Because it can last for awhile.

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You are mentioning ms/me pasients, that must be awfull for them to get COVID :woozy_face:

So, is there any studies that viruses/epidemics can cause something like a calcification in your bones? Im just thinking it will weaken your hormone system and your overall immunesystem ?

Iknow some viruses and sickness is the other way around, that it will “attack” your bones.

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Perhaps there aren’t specific studies about Eagle’s syndrome related calcifications, but the general mechanism is that C19 can cause inflammation, and inflammation may cause calcification.

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@Henrik - @lingerpartyof9 suggest viewing some of Dr. Osborne’s videos on YouTube. I thought this one was interesting & might explain your “seizures”:

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Yeah i’ve seen this video, the story off his is very similar to mine.

I started crying a little when he explained that the most painfull thing is that nobody can understand.

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This one was very intersting, specially the article from clevland clinic.

Where they adress brain calcification, that one was really interesting.

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Just a comment about the video: this guy’s journey isn’t over yet, so it’s hard to state 100% what caused what, including neck instabilities. The video is great though.

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In posting the link to the video above, I was focused on the dystonic storms aspect of Kevin Beaver’s symptoms. We’ve had a few members over time w/ arm, leg or body tremors, & I never considered they could be related to ES, but the information in this video indicates they definitely could be. I didn’t intend to promote Dr. Osborne, his surgical technique/skill or success in doing helpful ES surgeries (though I know he’s done at least a few w/ great results). I’m sorry I didn’t make that more clear.

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The “spasm” wich he experienced is real, i’ve got it aswell when i had seizures. Specially in arms and legs but mostly arms.

For legs i belive it was the vastus lateralis and rectus femoris muscle and that is if im not wrong where the arteries are located in the legs. Would first cramp up and then i felt like if my muscles would have a little dance party for themselfs.

My arms was mainly biceps and forarms, cramps and shaking often after heavy hours at work. My work is physical demanding im a surface treatment operator and heavy equipment mechanic.

Had also spasm in the neck, but that happened only after covid-19 and influenza. It was all the way from the lats to the trapezus and sternocleidomastoideus. That happened very rearly as it mainly came from after sickness.

But if it is related to ES, i belive so yes very much indeed! Neck,shoulder,back and breast muscle is in my eyes one big set off muscles so one muscle will affect the other one i guess. As my physical therapist said is that the spasm i experienced comes from compression and “sourness” and as most off us who goes untreated over a long period off time the muscle tissue would become extremely “sour” and stretched. For the legs however im not sure, but the main arterie will conect somehow to the internal jugularis ?

I belive that muscle tissue, vains, fat, skin and bone tissue that is under compression and is stretched over a long time will somehow “deform” and then it will take alot off time to get it in the neutral/natural position. For me this is self explained, because if you have component in your body that is oversized like a calcified bone or as for ES styloids. There is not the aivailable space for it for that amount off time it is like a well calculated and fitted part in a machine. If one part is to big, the other parts will perform badly and become stretched and broken over time. For comparisson it is the same with skin from the belly, it would take some time to get rid off loose skin after fat loss because it has been stretched and compressed fast and much over time.

To add to this my physical therapist mentioned last time we spoke that my neck is crooked, right after the “clothes hanger” or in another word C2. So that is interesting because C2 is located near the hyoid bone, and between the cheek bone, hyoid and the styloid ligament there is not the best space for something that can grow long as for my case 4,5 cm long calcified styloid ligament.

And T1 to C1 is a critical and brittle component in our neck and back area. It is a weak link in the chain.

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Your words made some good mental images for me with the way you described your understanding of how elongated styloids can affect the body. I agree with you @Henrik.

It is hard to know if all your symptoms are related to ES, but once your styloids are gone, it will become more clear which ones ES caused.

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Yes it’s going to be interesting to see and feel after, frightening and excited at the same time.

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