Hey all,
I had a suggestion to try K-Laser treatment, apparently it is approved for use for various neuropathic conditions. I emailed the Dr at this clinic and he reached out to expert colleagues in the US who said it can work. Anyone ever try this? https://www.citycentrehealth.com/k-laser/
Thanks!
It looks as though K-Laser is a Class IV laser that requires special training for Dr.'s offices to have. I tried and enjoyed as it relaxed the muscles that the nerves had irritated. The benefits were brief as with ES the styloid process or calcified ligament will just continue to irritate the tissue around it. It certainly can’t hurt and if it gives you any relief it will be worth trying!
I hadn’t heard of this, BFresh. Glad sjlash had a response for you! I have had laser therapy (not cold laser, but not sure specifically what kind) on my face since my ES surgery to try to help my first bite syndrome recover. I believe it has reduced my symptoms but not cured them.
Hi BFresh,
I have a MLS class IV cold laser (different company so can’t speak for this K laser machine) in my clinic and use it successfully for most patients in treating pain and inflammation. The only way to know is to try it, if there are no contraindications of course. I do not know your story so just a word of warning. If you have a skull base CSF leak the laser may induce brain drain and lead to worsening symptoms. It is never to be used over the thyroid gland. It will not take away the elongated styloid or calcified S-H ligament or fix any vascular stenosis, but it may help with pain related to inflammation.
Hope this is helpful, best of luck to you!
Great info everyone, thank you! Right now my pain level is manageable but if and when it flares up again maybe I will give it a try!
Did you end up trying the MLS laser? I’m in a cervical instability group on FB and they’ve been recommending a protocol from Dr. Hatam in Virginia for strengthening and healing the ligaments in the neck.
I haven’t heard of MSL laser or Dr. Hatam so thank you for posting about another type of therapy that is being tried/used to help w/ CCI.
Dr. Centeno in CO developed the PICL approach which is being mentioned more often for cervical instability on this forum. As w/ PRP & prolotherapy, the results are mixed.
I’ve seen Centeno mentioned several times in different groups and forums. I’m a little cautious after Caring Medical but it does seem like Centeno is more legit. I guess I really need someone other than CM to confirm that I have instability and that it’s the cause of my issues and not just something minor that I’ve always had. Centeno’s videos definitely seem to capture some of my issues. I guess I could see if he would look at my existing imaging and see if he sees anything. Between my DMX, upright MRI and the many CT scans I’ve had done he should be able to get a decent idea.
I think I am going to try the laser locally. There’s a chiropractor that offers sessions for only $40 and from what I’ve read you usually can tell if it’s doing anything after 6 or so sessions.
For those interested Dr. Hatam posted his protocol in the group. It says he usually uses 1500 hertz scanning 3x3 area from the occult to C4 region from 10-14 minutes each setting at 100 percent and about 7 inches from the patient.
I think laser is worth a try, but if it doesn’t help, a consult w/ Dr. Centeno would be a good idea.
Let us know how you get on, hoping it will help 
I had an atlas orthogonal adjustment today and my first MLS laser treatment. I had the upper cervical and TMJ area treated. I’ll go back Thursday for another treatment.
I messaged Dr. Hepworth about my heart rate and the next steps to take. I don’t expect I’ll hear back. I also contacted my primary to see about getting a referral in for a cardiologist. They can’t get me in for a checkup until August so I might switch my primary to a doctor that can get me in quicker. I don’t really feel like messing around when it comes to the heart.
I heard back from Dr. Centeno’s office today. They sent me the prescreening information. The initial consult is $275 so I’ll probably do that and see what they recommend. They said their treatments are typically $5k-15k out of pocket so it might be out of reach for me unless I dip into my retirement. I’m fine doing that if they’re confident but after Caring Medical I’m not sure I can just throw that kind of money at it and hope it works out.
I’m glad Dr. Centeno’s office got back to you so quickly. I agree that it’s hard to dump $ into treatments that aren’t a guaranteed fix. I hope your consult is very informative & enables you to make an educated decision as to whether or not Dr. Centeno’s evaluation & his “solution” if you do have CCI, is worth the $ it will cost.
Let us know how it goes with Dr Centeno! That’s certainly alot to fork out without a fair chance of success…