My Full Story

I posted earlier here asking if I should get a re-read of my CT or a new scan. For anyone who saw that, I’m now sharing my full story here.

When I sat down to write this post, my original plan was to share my full story and then condense it. But I realized I’m not really posting this for everyone else — I’m posting it for myself. Writing it out is part of my own self-care. Like many of you, this journey has been one of the hardest things I’ve faced, and putting it into words feels like a step toward some healing.

I’ve struggled with TMJ for over 25 years (PT a few times, soft food diets, braces a second time, a bite splint nightly etc.) and migraines for almost as long (Botox, preventative meds, acute meds). I was recently diagnosed with Hypermobility Spectrum Disorder (HSD), and I have an appointment in March with a doctor who specializes in Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome – Hypermobility (hEDS). Between the TMJ, migraines, and hypermobility, I’ve had a lot of the same symptoms that overlap with Eagle Syndrome: headaches, earaches, tinnitus, neck pain, facial pain, etc. That makes it hard to know exactly how long I’ve had ES — I just know when things started really affecting my quality of life.

About 2 years ago:
When I lay flat (no pillow) and lifted just my head, something on the left side (tendon, muscle, ligament?) would pop up over my lower jaw and snap back down like a rubber band. I thought it was just another TMJ symptom. It didn’t hurt, so I ignored it. With hypermobility, your body does all kinds of “party tricks,” so I didn’t think much of it.

A couple months later:
I started choking occasionally while eating, felt dizzy, had more jaw pain, pain on the left side of my face/neck, and my jaw was deviating left when opening and closing. My TMJ looked like it was subluxing. Since I’ve had TMJ issues for years, I went back to an oral & maxillofacial surgeon thinking it might be time for surgery. My MRI and CT showed moderate structural damage. I was able to reproduce the “rubber band” popping sensation in the office, but the surgeon had no idea what it was. She suggested an arthrocentesis to flush the joint and look closer.

Right after that, we went on vacation. By the time I came back, my voice was giving out every day, painful to use, and it felt like a vice grip on my throat. I’m an ASL interpreter, so losing my voice meant I could only work a couple hours a day. I put the arthrocentesis on hold and focused on my voice.

The first ENT scoped me (up my nose and down my throat) and said it was gastroesophageal reflux. That didn’t sit right, so I went to GI. An upper endoscopy showed I was misdiagnosed — I was on acid reflux meds I didn’t even need. Meanwhile, the neck pain and strain from talking triggered my migraines and even brought on a new kind of headache. A simple head roll or looking over my shoulder would cause a horrible pop, pain would shoot behind my eye, and then I would have stabbing pain at the base of my skull.

I told my neurologist exactly what was happening. He laughed, told me “that’s not how headaches work,” and dismissed me. What I didn’t know then was that I had developed Occipital Neuralgia (ON). I begged him for a CT of my neck explaining that it felt like something was stuck in my throat — it came back “normal.”

At that point, I was barely working, cycling through the ER and infusion center, getting migraines 3–4 times a week. My husband and I googled everything, desperate for answers. He stumbled across “Muscle Tension Dysphonia.” I saw a second ENT who specialized in it — he scoped me, diagnosed MTD and said my vocal cords were not working properly, said I needed speech therapy, and walked out. I chased him down asking why it happens, and he just said, “We don’t know.” I tried speech therapy once but my gut told me this wasn’t it. This was only a secondary diagnosis.

Six months later:
I went back to the oral surgeon and finally had the arthrocentesis. My TMJ felt better for a few weeks, but she couldn’t explain the deviation, popping, or “rubber band” issue. She chalked it up to ligaments. At that point, I still didn’t have the HSD diagnosis.

A few weeks later, my PCP ordered an MRI of my neck — moderate degeneration showed up. She sent me to PT, and at my first evaluation the therapist explained occipital neuralgia. Just lightly pressing triggered a flare. I later asked my ortho surgeon (who was treating me for my back) if they treated ON, and they did. I had my first nerve block, then a week later trigger point injections. Finally, I felt some relief from the headaches. PT didn’t help, though, so I stopped after 8 weeks.

Next, I tried a chiropractor who combined PT, manual therapy, dry needling with TENS, and traction. As long as they did traction, my voice and neck pain eased up, but the relief didn’t last.

I also found a new neurologist who took over treating my migraines and ON. By then, I had my HSD diagnosis and started learning about the link to craniocervical instability. I thought maybe that was it, but the upright MRI came back normal.

Then came the dizziness — sudden and intense. I got motion sick from my own driving, constant ear pressure, tinnitus (worse in the left ear), and I could hear my heartbeat in my ears when lying down. A third ENT ran a ton of vestibular tests — all inconclusive. I ended up diagnosed with Third Window Syndrome (part of the bone in my inner ear is missing), but that only explained a few symptoms.

Things got worse:
Vision changes, daily swallowing issues (food coming back up and out my nose), trouble breathing in certain head positions, high blood pressure (150/100), tingling/heaviness in my left arm, pain and numbness when taking BP on that arm, and a popping sensation deep in my chest under the collarbone when lifting my arms.

My doctor sent me to cardiology. They put me on two BP meds (twice daily) and did a CTA of the thoracic area plus upper extremity ultrasounds looking for vascular TOS. Everything came back normal. My PCP now wants me to go to GI for the swallowing, even though last year my scope came back normal.

I posted my symptoms in a TOS group, and someone mentioned Eagle Syndrome. The second I read the symptoms, I started crying. It is almost every symptom that I am experiencing.

I started doing research and found you all! As I sat down to write this post, I went back through my testing from last year and remembered the CT Soft Tissue Neck with Contrast. The report didn’t mention styloids or calcified ligaments, probably because it wasn’t requested.

I saw my 3rd ENT yesterday. She agreed my scans should be re-read for Eagle Syndrome. She said my styloids looked just slightly over 3 cm and didn’t think the ligament was calcified, but admitted this wasn’t her specialty. All day today, the pain from my TMJ down the side of my face is worse than ever. I can feel swelling inside. Plus my husband said he noticed that the veins in my left hand have been bulging the last couple of days while the right hand looks normal. I decided to call back and request a new CT scan.

I have never wanted a diagnosis more than I want this one. I just need to know what’s wrong with me.

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Thank you for sharing your story, I feel for you, it’s been such a journey! Well done to you and your husband for persevering and for pursuing a correct diagnosis!

It does sound as if you have some compression , TOS, but if that’s been looked into it’s weird! Unless that’s been looked at wrong as well!

I hope that the new CT you’ve decided to get shows what’s going on, whether it is the styloids or the hyoid bone, did you say you’d asked for a CT with contrast?

It may be pain from TMJD, but ES can also cause facial pain from irritated trigeminal & facial nerves, so whether it’s worth you considering nerve pain meds if you’ve not done that already for ON? Some members have found lidocaine gel or patches can help, so that might be worth a try on your jaw if you’ve not done that too?

Best wishes & hopefully the CT will be read properly & be conclusive! If the report is still not good, don’t give up & we can advise you about sending it to other ES doctors :hugs: :folded_hands:

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What a journey you’ve been on, @Drea. I’m applaud you for staying the course until you’ve finally found a likely diagnosis but am sorry you also found you’re hyper mobile along the way. The upside is that know you have that diagnosis will help you get treatment that should reduce symptoms you have that are unrelated to ES.

We have had more than one member who did have TOS was but was initially misdiagnosed so it might be worthwhile getting a second opinion using the scans you’ve already had done. We’ve also had members who had odd circulatory problems in their arms/hands that resolved once their styloids were shortened & especially once their IJV(s) was/were decompressed so you may get some resolution of your arm/hand symptoms from ES surgery.

I hope you’re able to get your CT scan very soon. You know we’ll be happy to look at your imaging & give you our opinions though they aren’t officially diagnostic.

I’m so glad you found us & we’re very happy to be able to support you however you want/need as you journey down the ES path. :hugs:

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Thank you for the advice. I need to look into the lidocaine patches. I’m also due for my occipital nerve blocks and trigger point injections soon. They used to last about three months, but over the past six months, they’ve only been helping for around two and a half months.

When I saw the ENT, she did a physical test by pressing on the area where the tonsils would be, and I think it irritated something. It hurt at the time, but it was manageable. Since then, I’ve had a lingering ache in my right ear, almost like an ear infection.

The results from my new CT came back on Friday, but I have to wait for her to review them first. Hopefully, I’ll hear something by Monday before the office closes.

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It hasn’t been easy. Without my husband, mom, and older kids helping out, I don’t know how our household would have kept running.

My ENT mentioned that there was a doctor in her practice who performs the procedure. I immediately told her that I wouldn’t see someone who has only done a handful of them. I think my response caught her off guard. I explained that I’ve joined a FB group, a great forum, and have been doing my own research. She then suggested Dr. Chan-Leveno in Dallas. I told her that once I get my CT results, I can start looking into which doctor I want to perform the surgery. I think she was surprised by how much I already knew about ES—this forum has played a huge role in that. :heart:

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It’s good you have family support, and glad you’ve found the forum helpful :hugs:

Let us know when you hear anything…

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Supportive family is the best at times like these. I’m so glad yours is rallying to help you!

I’m glad your ENT recommended Dr. Chan-Leveno so you have had her recommended to you twice. She is very experienced w/ ES surgeries, & we’ve even heard from one member quite a while ago that she did an IJV decompression surgery though I don’t know how experienced she is with those.

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I got my CT results back, and honestly, I’m not surprised. Why would this test be any different than all the others and actually show that something is wrong? I’m just exhausted—physically, mentally, and emotionally—from the past 18 months of this. Here’s the radiologist’s report.

* The right styloid process measures 12 mm in length and 2 mm in diameter with minimal thin ossification of the stylohyoid ligament measuring 15 mm. * The left styloid process measures 11 mm in length and 2 mm in diameter with minimal thin ossification of the stylohyoid ligament measuring 14 mm. * Nosignificant stylojugular/carotid compression.

Oh dear, would’ve been helpful if something had shown… Plan B, will you try & get a new CT done with contrast? Sending you a hug :hugs:

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@Drea I can check the full lengths of your IJVs, ICAs, and ECAs if you feel comfortable providing me access to your imaging. You can upload the dicoms to a google drive folder and private message me a link to it. I wouldn’t be sharing with anyone your identity or permanently storing your info to my computer. I’ve helped many members in the past with this and it seemed to be helpful. Can always bring my annotations of your imaging to your doctor and express your concerns!

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That one was with contrast. I feel like I am back to the drawing board.

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That would be awesome! I will get it done when I get off work tonight, THANK YOU!

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@Drea no worries! Send me one with contrast if possible!

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@Drea - Different radiologists come up with different measurements & have different perspectives on what imaging shows. We’ve had so many member misdiagnosed w/ ES because the radiology reports were wrong. Would you be willing to either put your imaging into 3D format or get someone to help you do so? That can be very helpful in seeing what is really going on. You are welcome to post the significant parts of your imaging on here, & we can give you our non-medical-but-very-experienced-with-ES-imaging opinions which could be helpful. I prefer 3D images but @TML likes the CT slices especially at the C1 vertebra since the relationship between styloids, jugulars, & carotids show well there.

You can use Bee Dicom Viewer App if you have a Mac or radiantviewer.com if you have a PC to make your imaging 3D.

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I definitely would! Which view should I use in RadiAnt Viewer—should I select the Bones (B&W) view?

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Hi @Drea my radiologist & Neurologist missed the fact that my Styloid was touching my ECA and I also had IJV compression between my C1 and Styloid. It wasn’t until I uploaded my images here that it was picked up. I then had the confidence to go back and challenge the results of my CT. People are here to help you :grinning_face:

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I would not choose bone only. Leave it as is so we can see all the veins and arteries!

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WOW, just WOW!

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Sorry, I meant as in a new CT, with contrast again as well?

The results I just shared are from the CT scan with contrast that I had last Wednesday.