Finally had a styloidectomy!

It’s been a very long wait, but I finally had a styloidectomy on Dec 24, 2024. It’s been about 60 hours post surgery.

My previous post a few years ago is here:

This forum has been very helpful, and I’m sorry I’ve been unable to participate more. My health has been really, really bad for the last three years. I hope to be able to participate more as I recover and can share what I’ve learned as things got worse and worse.

I’m keeping some details in the private Canadian thread for now, but I’m not sure the doctor that helped will be able to help others unless they get the point I got after 17 years of worsening symptoms and eventual incapacity. It’s a low priority surgery and the medical system is overloaded in Ontario, with a lot of recent retirements as well.

Quick summary:

17 years ago, I started to have a series of stroke-like episodes, left-sided numbness, weakness, confusion, couldn’t speak, drooping eye, etc. They didn’t usually last long, but left me confused and less able to work effectively for weeks or even months afterwards. I eventually realized they happened when I was doing certain things, and I now recognize some earlier signs up to 20 years ago: mental fatigue at the end of the day, concerning brain zaps when looking down to read notes or working on papers for awhile, etc. Eventually tracked down to turning my head to the left or looking down, or raising my left arm/shoulder, and even later noticed I had pretty bad neck pain before and during an initial cluster of events and worsened brain function.

Minor symptoms slowly became more severe, triggers more sensitive. Kept things at bay for awhile with a lot of exercise, physio, posture work, high quality/anti-inflammatory food, and just keeping my head upright and to the right as much as I could.

Only so much I could do on my own, eventually took over more and more of my life until I could only work part time, with my partner supporting me with household chores and collapsing at night, and for the last 3 years ending up in a state where I was for the most part just surviving-- trying to minimize symptoms while my family looked after me. I started falling more and more, and have been mostly house-bound to prevent further injury.

Found this site sometime between 2015-2018 actually, and went to an ENT to get my styloids looked at. Unfortunately, they said my styloids were not long enough and my blood vessels were not at risk of compression (imaging study reports failed to note compressed veins (tapered to a point), and styloid position against atlas). It wasn’t until 2021 that I found out that both internal jugular veins were compressed, with zero flow in one or the other much of the time, my styloids were right up against my atlas, and my vagus nerve was half-normal size, possibly abraded by styloids.

I was told to get a styloidectomy ASAP, and was assured I’d get one in Canada within a few weeks or months. It took almost 3 years.

Throughout, it didn’t help that my family doctors have been unconvinced, and I was unable to self-advocate or communicate clearly due to wear-down and near-constant confusion by this point.

I greatly regret not pursuing treatment in the US. I had planned on it as a back up, but lost the ability to think clearly enough to apply and besides thought my surgery in Canada would happen much sooner than it did. I’ve spent far more just staying alive, and many times more in lost work than it would have cost for surgery. I foolishly didn’t apply for disability thinking I’d be back to work within 6 months to a year.

Surgery:

The surgery itself was the best Christmas present I could hope for. I had eventually used a 3rd party service with help from my family, Medical Second Opinion, to try and communicate with my surgeon and get feedback on why my surgery was still being delayed. After having a second meeting a year and a half after the consult, I was quickly squeezed in a month later.

The surgery itself went well on the surface, but it was only on one side and they removed 1.5 cm of my now 2cm styloid. It took longer to recover then they anticipated, and I had some abnormal heart rhythms and very high blood pressure post-surgery. The operation was extra-oral, going up through a small incision at the base of my neck on the left side, using cameras and tools to cut off the styloid at the skull and remove pieces of it by sliding it down the stlyloid-hyoid ligament.

Originally, they had planned a much more invasive surgery, and may have done more if they discovered something along the way. In the meantime, I’ve been getting myo-orthodontal work done which has widened my palate and jaw and may have made the surgery easier (as was the plan).

It is very painful. Interestingly, most of the triggers for pain are the same triggers for the stroke-episodes and brain fog. Swallowing is very painful still, but it is getting better. It’s now about 60 hours post-surgery, and I’m at home. I’m still avoiding harder foods and need help doing most things. It’s hard to tell how successful it’s been, since I’ve been told to avoid triggering movements as much as possible for a couple of weeks. However, I’m thinking more clearly and am more aware than I’ve been in a very, very long time, even on painkillers. The main test will be when I can do things like bend over to pick something up or look down and use a cell phone without getting dizzy, losing my abiliity to think or use the left side of my body, and risk falling down.

In many ways, I wish it had been more painful from the start. It would have made it much easier to avoid triggers and get medical help sooner. At this point, even if the pain were to be permanent, it would be a very welcome upgrade.

I’m still having some brain fog and numbness issues though, mostly when sitting or standing for awhile, or after coughing. I’m hoping this is due to latent inflammation, and it does seem to be getting better each day so far.

I would not have been able to write this at almost any time in the last 8 months, which is probably the best indication so far that the surgery was a success.

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I’m glad that st last you’ve been able to get surgery done! I hope that they’ve been able to remove enough of the styloid to make a difference- although removing the styloid back to the skull base is ideal, often this can’t be done safely if the nerves are tangled round it etc, so it is quite common that members are left with a little stub… Obviously you’ll still have lots of swelling and inflammation so it might be a while until you feel the full benefits, try not to worry if healing seems slow, and try to focus on any positives that you do notice, like you are doing :grinning: Great that you’ve been able to post & let us know how you are!
Use ice and sleep propped up if you can & haven’t been already to help with swelling…
Praying for good results for you :hugs: :pray:

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@Mclean - Congratulations on finally having surgery! What a long haul for you!! Sixty hours out from surgery puts you in the timeframe where post op swelling becomes its worst i.e. 3-5 days post op. This is a good time to take your pain meds on schedule, ice your neck for 15 min every couple of hours & sleep/rest w/ ~30º of head elevation (both of which @Jules mentioned) for the remainder of the week & perhaps into next week. Post op swelling can take 6-8 weeks to subside so it can take that long for symptoms to really start going away but up to a year for nerves to heal completely which Jules also alluded to.

Your post was written quite eloquently which is solid evidence of the improvement of cognitive ability you’ve noticed. That must be invigorating for you (at least mentally!).

Please continue to keep us posted about your healing progress & feel free to ask questions about recovery if you have them. :hugs:

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I’ve heard that ice is being phased out for treatment in general, no one at the hospital mentioned it and I remember hearing about research in the last few years recommending against ice in general as it can slow healing. I’ll try elevating a bit more, this was mentioned but I forgot, thank you for the reminder.

I’m resigned to taking the regular pain meds on a schedule already, but am avoiding the stronger stuff. I didn’t tolerate it well in the hospital, and know from previous surgery that I much prefer a bit more pain to constipation, nausea, vomiting, and other opioid side effects. Discharging nurse concurred that if I could tolerate it, having a bit more pain should be better for recovery than vomiting and bad constipation, but I have some on hand in case things get worse.

Quick search: I’ve confirmed that RICE (Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate) is being replaced to drop ice and encourage small motion and less anti-inflammatories across the world. Anagrams not fully set yet, there is MEAT or PEACE & LOVE as a two-stage process. New method definitely being used at the hospital, but a lot of places use the traditional RICE still. Ice helps with pain, but was found to reduce healing rate. I’m also not allowed any anything stronger than acetominophen/tylenol/paracetamol when it comes to inflammation until I heal.

Thank you for the kind replies!

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Interesting info, @Mclean. Thanks for the update. I think not icing has actually been mentioned here recently, but I haven’t "jumped on that “boat” just yet. I’ve had good results w/ ice myself so am reluctant to let it go as an early help with inflammation reduction.

Ice won’t delay healing if only used for the duration of the worst swelling phase. It’s when used over the long-term, which some of us have done just because it numbs the surgical area & helps relieve pain, that it’s more likely to slow healing. Alternating ice & heat has also been suggested.

We have had a number of members recently who’ve opted to skip the opioids & only take Extra Strength Tylenol. Ibuprofen is supposed to be a later comer because it’s a blood thinner so isn’t to be used until 10 days post op, however, it seems many doctors are recommending it immediately post op for those who can’t tolerate opioids. I suppose because it’s an anti-inflammatory where acetaminophen is not, it’s a risk worth taking.

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Yes, ice slowing healing has been mentioned, so if you’ve been told not to fair enough, but we’ve noticed on here that ES surgery recovery is particularly affected by swelling, probably because of the area of the incision there are so many nerves & blood vessels packed into a tight space, so even a small amount of swelling can have quite an impact on pain & blood flow, that’s why we do still feel it’s worth doing to start off with after surgery… obviously not encouraging anyone to go against their own doctor’s advice though!
As @Isaiah_40_31 says, days 3-5 seem to be the worst for swelling so icing isn’t needed for long…
Hope you can keep.the pain under control & take care of yourself :hugs::pray:

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Thank you again Jules and Isaiah_40_31.

As an update, this is now day 8 post surgery. Days 4-6 were not so great— swelling probably, but also I had coughed and sneezed from allergies a number of times at it really hurt, with some of the pre-op cognitive symptoms coming back afterwards. I also probably was too enthusiastic and moved a bit too much day 3 & 4.

I actually had trouble sleeping elevated with a rise, the first night I think I twisted my neck in the night and another night I woke up coughing and choking on my saliva. I’m doing better sleeping flat and on my side now. I also had trouble in the hospital after surgery, and had to sleep on my side there.

I coughed a little bit this morning, but it already doesn’t hurt nearly as much as before and isn’t the complete cognitive knock it it was pre-surgery. Overall swelling of the neck seems to be right down now. It still hurts a little after eating more solid food and after talking for awhile. Pain has more of an over-stretching sensation rather than deep and severe, but there is a bit of that still. It’s still amazing to me to be able to complain about pain as the major issue rather than not being able to talk, walk, or think.

Cognition is not fully back. Still woozy feeling most of the time, but more and more cogent moments since yesterday.

Looking forward to the New Year!

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Recovery from this surgery is by baby steps, not leaps & bounds, as you’re discovering, @Mclean. I’m very encouraged to learn about the progress you’ve already made so soon after surgery. That’s a great start to healing! Do remember those symptoms can come & go for a few months as the nerves gradually heal so don’t be discouraged if you notice some more painful days following some pretty good days.

Here’s to your complete recovery from ES in 2025!!

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Good that you’re seeing some improvements, and that there’s less swelling now! Good that you can talk & eat… take care of yourself and keep healing! :pray: :hugs:

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