New here – Right-sided Eagle syndrome/IJV compression, feeling lost after specialist appointment

Hi everyone, I’m new here and feeling quite lost, so I’m hoping to hear from anyone with a similar history.

I’m 27 and based in Sydney, Australia. When I was around 5, I had significant trauma to my right cheekbone just below my eye. I still have an indentation there and developed noticeable facial/jaw asymmetry as I grew, with the right side appearing less developed and a crossbite. I’m now waiting to see a maxillofacial surgeon regarding this.

I also had grommets as a child, including surgery to remove one from my right ear, but neither my ears nor jaw caused significant issues growing up. Most of my problems have developed over the last 3–4 years.

About a year ago I was told I may have early Ménière’s disease due to my ear/vestibular symptoms. I later started TMJ physiotherapy, but my symptoms became significantly worse. I felt that some of the manipulation/attempts to realign my jaw and neck aggravated something structurally, although obviously I can’t know for certain.

My symptoms are predominantly RIGHT sided:

  • Jaw and upper neck pain, particularly underneath/behind my ear
  • Significant trapezius, shoulder and suboccipital pain
  • Tinnitus/ear buzzing, pressure and sometimes pulsing
  • Dizziness, floaty sensations and feeling like I may faint
  • Headaches and head/eye pressure
  • Significantly jaw clenching and grinding.
  • Tingling/nerve sensations and episodes of numbness/tingling affecting my right arm and leg
  • Throat sensations and an unusually sensitive gag reflex
  • Light and sound sensitivity
  • Periods where my nervous system feels extremely “high alert”, with intense anxiety and sometimes palpitations

My CT showed bilateral elongated styloid processes/ossified stylohyoid ligaments. On the RIGHT, my non-dominant internal jugular vein is mildly compressed between the right styloid process and C1 lateral mass, measuring approximately 3 mm AP at the point of compression compared with 6 mm more superiorly and 4 mm more inferiorly. My dominant left IJV is not compressed. Most of my symptoms are also right sided.

After waiting months, I finally saw Prof Michael Elliott in Sydney after seeing his name mentioned on this forum and knowing he has experience with Eagle syndrome.

Unfortunately, I left the appointment more confused than when I arrived. Straight off the bat, before he had properly gone through my notes, I felt like I was being quizzed about why I was there and why I thought I had Eagle syndrome. I became extremely upset and was in tears for most of the appointment, which made it very difficult to advocate for myself.

He told me he didn’t think I had the vascular form because, in his opinion, my veins looked good on the CT. By the end of the appointment, however, he did say that I could have Eagle syndrome and that surgery was an option, but that it may not improve my symptoms.

I completely understand that compression on imaging doesn’t automatically mean it is causing my symptoms and that surgery cannot guarantee improvement. What has left me struggling is that I came away without much direction or further investigation into whether the compression could actually be clinically significant. I thought there may at least be discussion about dedicated venous/3D or dynamic imaging, but nothing further was recommended.

I also don’t feel comfortable returning to Prof Elliott after my experience at the appointment, so I’m now looking for a second opinion.

I’m particularly curious about nerve involvement. Has anyone experienced glossopharyngeal or vagus nerve irritation with Eagle syndrome? I have the sensitive gag reflex/throat symptoms and periods of intense “high alert” anxiety, and I’ve wondered whether nerve irritation could contribute, although I know these symptoms don’t prove vagus nerve involvement.

Has anyone experienced a similar combination of predominantly one-sided symptoms, IJV compression, pulsatile tinnitus, dizziness/presyncope or nerve symptoms? I’d really appreciate recommendations for another specialist in Australia, as I’m feeling quite lost about where to go from here.

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Hi & welcome! I have sent you a welcome message with info about the forum, but you beat me to it by posting!

I’m sorry that Dr Elliott wasn’t as helpful as you hoped- he is the best doctor that we know of in Australia doing surgery for Vascular ES; your symptoms do sound like the ones commonly experienced although if it’s your non-dominant IJV which is compressed most VES doctors would say that the body would usually compensate. But we do see members with not very severe compression who are very symptomatic, and others with quite severe compression who don’t have many symptoms!

The vagus nerve in alongside the IJV, so it could well be that you are getting symptoms from vagus nerve compression. And ES is a known cause of Glossopharyngeal neuralgia.

Dizziness/ off-balance feeling can be common with IJV compression, although fainting is more common with carotid artery compression, especially if it happens with turning your head in certain positions- it is possible to have both.

So surgery, if the styloids are removed high enough and close to the skull base, could well help…

We have a list of doctors familiar with ES, here’s a link:

Doctor Lists – no discussion - Symptoms and Treatments / Doctor Information - Living with Eagle

Dr Elliott is the most experienced doctor that we know of, along with Dr Rao, although he has turned down another member for surgery who seemed to have IJV compression . There are some other doctors on the list in Australia, you can use the search function to look them up to see if others’ experiences. And hopefully some Australian members will chip in & give you some advice & support :hugs:

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@Blare - I was diagnosed w/ Meniere’s Disease & was treated for it for 6 years before I learned I had internal jugular vein compression, that like yours wasn’t initially considered severe enough to immediately warrant surgery. I had to have a catheter venogram to convince my surgeon I needed my IJV decompressed.

I bring this up because while I was going through the process of getting my IJV compression diagnosis, I learned that there had been some medical research that demonstrated Meniere’s symptoms can be caused by IJV compression & decompressing the IJV relieves the MD symptoms & restores hearing loss to at least some extent. Unfortunately, before I learned about my IJV compression, I had a surgery to try to slow the rate of my hearing loss (endolymphatic duct shunt placement) which left me w/ permanent loud tinnitus & ultimately only slowed the rate of the hearing loss. Because of that first surgery, I had no hearing restoration from my IJV decompression, however, the IJV decompression surgery did stop the progression of hearing loss (hearing has been stable for 2 years now!) & it stopped the horrid vertigo attacks I was having. I believe your MD diagnosis is additional evidence of your IJV compression regardless of how it looks on your imaging.

Would having an appointment w/ Dr. Rao be of any benefit or are he & Prof Elliot tied to closely together for you to see each doctor separately?

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Thank you both so much for taking the time to respond. I’m really glad I found this forum, it’s already been so informative and reassuring to hear from people who understand how complicated this can be.

It’s really hard trying to get someone to listen without feeling like you sound crazy, especially when there are so many different symptoms involved.

Isaiah, your experience with being diagnosed and treated for Ménière’s before discovering the IJV compression really stood out to me. I’d be interested to know what your catheter venogram showed that wasn’t apparent on your original imaging, and what ultimately convinced your surgeon that decompression was necessary.

For now I’m waiting to receive Prof Elliott’s consultation notes and the referral he said he would write. I’m also looking into seeing Dr Rao for another opinion. I’d really like someone to look further into whether the right-sided IJV compression is actually physiologically significant rather than just judging it by how severe it appears on a static scan.

Thank you again! I really appreciate the advice and hearing about your experiences.

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@Blare - Via my MRV & CTA, a member of this forum showed me I had bilateral IJV compression. On the right it was being caused by an enlarged parotid gland so no bone involvement. On the left, the IJV was being squashed between C1 & the remains of my left styloid which hadn’t been cut back to skull base as “advertised” by my first ES surgeon. The catheter was unable to pass between the styloid/C1 area of compression on the left, however, it passed easily through the right IJV’s compressed area. Interestingly, I never had symptoms on my right so it was interesting that visually the right sided compression looked much more severe than the left in my imaging.

I’m glad you’re planning to have a consult w/ Dr. Rao. I hope you’re able to make better headway with him. I can’t remember if the links to the two research papers about MD symptoms being related to IJV compression were in the discussion link I sent in my reply yesterday. If they weren’t, please let me know & I’ll find them & send them to you. It would be worth printing them off & taking them to share w/ whomever you consult with next.

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