New member from NZ

Hi all! Thank you for accepting me into this incredible community and resource. Disclaimer: this is long and my brain fog/inability to focus has probably led to many typing mistakes.
I am an almost 40 year old who has been experiencing pain on my left upper body for over 10 years as well as a host of what I had thought were odd unrelated symptoms. Prior to this I have had ongoing reflux and oesophageal motility since I was born, as well as frequent ear infections during childhood, and ongoing left ear sensitivity. Since I can remember, my throat makes a noise when I swallow (small or large gulps) which is quite embarrassing in a quiet room. Iā€™ve learnt to tilt my head down to try to do it more quietly. I also have prominent visible cartilage of the throat and a very visible female Adamā€™s apple - again something Iā€™ve been incredibly self conscious of since a young tween. I have a tight feel on the join of the jaw to the neck on my left side, like I have a noose around my neck on one side, but I canā€™t remember if this was experienced following removal of my wisdom teeth about 11 years ago or before that. I have a cracking sound in my ears when I swallow too, and have struggled to put on weight my entire life thus far. I sit between 41.5 and 43kg and even while pregnant with my son, only got to around 52kg. I am short in statue so it kind of works but also something Iā€™ve been self-conscious of as a young teen/older adult as I imagine most would assume I have body image issues. I eat normally but have never enjoyed the experience much, as food gets stuck mid way down my oesophagus when I eat, and takes numerous swallows to continue on its journey. Over the years Iā€™ve learnt to avoid wheat as it sticks more than other things.
Anyway fast forward to 10 years ago when I started to get left rib and shoulder pain, as well as an inability to open my jaw, feeling like I canā€™t clear my throat properly and a sudden inability to have hot showers or sleep on my stomach. Followed by constant ache in my left temple, left ear, left jaw, bottom teeth, inside mouth under tongue on left side, left eye strain (particularly when turning my head), left cheek and area between eye and nose on left, muscles and ligaments down left front and side of neck, left back neck, and a general feeling of the back of my head and face pushing toward each other and crushing anything in their path. I have brain fog, my voice is strained after only like use, I sweat profusely when I am cold or the slightest bit anxiety (eg. I have an appointment to get ready for), and feel like I am so limited with what my body can withstand these days. My heart rate is constantly elevated ~80-90bpm at rest, even when sleeping, and then higher when moving. I went to the hospital this week as I was woken by it at a very high rate, admitted into the emergency department with it at 150bpm. I was later discharged because my ecg and bloods were normal and blood pressure only slightly low.
I am at my wits end. I have seen respiratory, heart, oral, spine, muscular skeletal and ent specialists. All imaging (and there is a lot) are unremarkable except for an elongated styloid process on the left side at 34mm. I was told I donā€™t have eagles because my tonsil doesnā€™t hurt when palpated. Iā€™ve been driving my health journey because no one else is. Iā€™m constantly blown off and made to feel like Iā€™m just anxious - one female doctor even said I needed to see a psychiatrist when I explained all of my symptoms to her at once, and that was the end of that consult.
A few years ago I have had an episode where food, water, pills were getting stuck in my throat, gastroscopy was clear so I decided to go on a soft food diet for a week and then alkaline diet for 5 months which helped. I also feel like I have TOS at times and have found some TOS exercises to help with pain. But MRI of brachial plexus was clear.

I feel stuck and very alone - despite having loving family and friends.

I managed to get a consult with a neurologist at the end of my recent hospital visit this week who said she didnā€™t think my symptoms are neurological but that sheā€™d be happy to be a point of care for me and has organised a ā€œ MRI brain and cervical spine and neck with contrast and neck and intracranial angiography and venographyā€. I have already had a MRI brain and MRI full spine as well as CT of the neck, the latter showing the ā€œelongated styloid process with calcified stylohyoid ligament suggestive of eagles syndromeā€. And have had about four other mris and one other ct in the last 10 years. Do I really need these images and to be exposed to more harmful waves? Or should I just push for surgery with someone who recognises ES based on symptoms and elongated styloid?

I also have a consult with a vascular specialist in 5 weeks but Iā€™m struggling to use my head/neck at the moment due to so much pain (being in bed is best right now). Again do I need the vascular input or is it better to push for surgery instead?

I am very fortunate to have private medical insurance and so my consult and imaging to find the elongated styloid was through self-referral and my query about Eagles or Ernst Syndrome. I just donā€™t have any medical knowledge other than the internet so itā€™s hard to know what direction to take next. I believed the ENT specialist when he said I didnā€™t have ES because of my non-existent tonsil pain. So 2 years on, im still in the same place.

Any thoughts would be so greatly appreciated.

Apologies for the length of thisā€¦x

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Welcome to our forum @BraveKat! Your screen name says it all - You are brave for going through what you have & continuing to persevere to the point of getting the help you need. Also, long posts are fine here. Sometimes it takes a few lines for a person to share his/her story. :blush:

The symptoms youā€™ve listed sound very neurological to me except brain fog which is often caused by vascular compression by the styloid of either the internal jugular vein (IJV) or internal carotid artery (ICA). The most common scenario w/ the IJV is it gets squashed between the transverse process of C1 & the styloid though there can be other tissues responsible such as muscle, nerve, scar, lymph & even vascular which contribute to the problem. This is also true w/ the ICA but most commonly itā€™s the styloid itself that causes the problems there.

Your larger Adamā€™s apple could point to something off w/ your thyroid cartilage (i.e. excess of it) which can cause clicking sounds & noisy swallowing. The pain in your left temple, ear, jaw, space between eye & nose, & bottom teeth sound like trigeminal nerve irritation; under tongue is likely glossopharyngeal nerve, & eye strain can be facial or trigeminal nerve but also indicative of vascular compression. The pains in your neck are probably being caused by your accessory nerve and the crushing sensation you feel between the front & back of your head plus brain fog sound like vascular compression symptoms. Vocal strain, profuse sweating, anxiety, digestive issues, & crazy heart rate can all be related to vagus nerve irritation. The nerves Iā€™ve listed are among those most often irritated by elongated styloids so I suggest that the ENT who said you donā€™t have ES because your tonsil doesnā€™t hurt is incorrect. Not everyone gets a sore throat or sore tonsils as a result of ES. Symptoms have to do w/ the angle, curve, thickness, how pointed or twisted the styloid is as to which nerves are affected & which symptoms a person gets. Styloid ā€œarchitectureā€ is often not taken into account by doctors as they only look at the length, & length alone often doesnā€™t tell the whole story.

You arenā€™t alone in this scenario. Iā€™m sorry this happened to you!

Iā€™m glad youā€™ve found a doctor who is willing to be a point of care for you. HOORAY for a medical advocate!! Of the tests sheā€™s suggested, I think the most diagnostic would be the angio/venogram, but it needs to be done with manometry i.e. blood flow pressure gradients need to be measured along the catheterā€™s course in each test as this is telling for compression or blockages. Itā€™s also best if both the angio & venograms are done through the groin.

The neck CT w/ contrast could be helpful in identifying whether you have abnormal/excessive thyroid cartilage &/or hyoid bone syndrome which is elongation of the greater horns of the hyoid bone. Since youā€™ve already had spine & brain MRIs perhaps the neurologist could review the scans youā€™ve had to see if she sees something the radiologist who previously read them missed.

I think the vascular input is important in light of some of your symptoms, however, the vascular doctor may be a dead end as well so be prepared for that.

ES skull based surgeons are often the doctors who do ES surgeries, & in cases w/ vascular compression, they will have a vascular or neurosurgeon assist. You may need to look for this combination to get the best surgical results.

We have many papers in our list of research papers that talk about ES with vascular compression (IJV or ICA). Perhaps printing one or two that have information relative to your situation to present to your neurologist could be helpful in getting you pointed to the right specialists for treatment.

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Hi BraveKat, just want to say really feel for you with the terrible time youā€™ve had all this time, but glad you found this forum as itā€™s excellent and at least youā€™ll have more info and hear othersā€™ experiences and hopefully not feel so alone with it. Wishing you all the best with your investigations and conclusions & the right course of action. Take care x

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I think @Isaiah_40_31 has said pretty much all Iā€™d be able to contributeā€¦I do agree with you that you have had plenty of testing & obviously your CT shows the styloid & calcified ligament! MRIs donā€™t use radiation so thatā€™s not an issue, but ones with contrast usually use gadolinium as the contrast medium which can cause side effects, so might be an idea to read up on this before you make a decision- weā€™ve had some info posted on here by @vdm in this discussion:
MRI contrast risks / Gadolinium toxicity - General - Living with Eagle
A CT does expose you to more radiation, but uses a different contrast medium & doesnā€™t cause issuesā€¦It would be helpful to see if there is any vascular compression, although this doesnā€™t always show depending on whether you get worse symptoms with your head in a certain position. Surgery is really the only ā€˜cureā€™, so in that sense, yes you would need to consider pushing for that.
It would be wise to to get your hyoid looked at in imaging, as weā€™ve had several members who have had clicking in their throat caused by elongated hyoid bone processes rather than the styloids, so technically hyoid bone syndrome. It can also be caused if the stylo-hyoid liament is calcified near the hyoid bone end (itā€™s more common to have calcifications at the top/ styloid end) , or it could be that yours is calcified the whole length.
Do you know of any doctors in your private healthcare group who treat ES? Are you able to see one of the doctors on the list? They both seem to be head & neck surgeons so good for both styloids & the hyoid bone if neededā€¦otherwise I did find this research paper online:
saskia_boogaard_-_eagle_syndrome.pdf
I hope that you can get some treatment soon :hugs:

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Hi again, wow one day on here and Iā€™ve learnt so much. Following your detailed responses I managed a bit of deep dive learning on how to read brain ct scans - thank you youtube. From this i think i managed to find the ct images showing my elongated styloid, which Iā€™ll attach below if i can. Iā€™m pretty sure I can see that the angle at which the left styloid has calcified is compressing the IJV (as you suggested @Isaiah_40_31 ) against my C1 TP. The right side by comparison is on a completely different angle. The left IJV seems very dilated compared to right. Even above and below the compression point.

Do you think I am reading these correctly?

Thanks so much :sunny:



Also it appears that my face through this area is extremely asymmetrical. This is how if feels for me. Like I donā€™t have a centre point, haha. Do you know if swelling is common as a response to the compression?

So very appreciative of all of your support, teachings and best wishes - @Isaiah_40_31 @Blodyn @Jules

@Jules, in NZ luckily most specialists are affiliated with my insurance company so to be honest, itā€™s quite open as to who is ā€˜availableā€™ to see. I think for me here, itā€™s more about who has the most experience and has an interest for this particular issue. I have come across a Craniofacial Plastic Surgeon in our capital city (plane ride from Auckland) who has done a ES surgery in the past and is very happy to help me, so I may pursue this contact along with the ones you provided. Feeling a bit happier now I feel like I have more of an understanding as to what is going on and thoughts on how I would like it to move forward. Until now, I had felt like I didnā€™t know what to do next. What were the best next steps as it still seemed elusive.

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@BraveKat It looks to me that both sides are flattening out against c1 transverse process. On one side you can see the bright spot of the styloid but not on the other side. It could be the particular slices you posted or it could be that something other than the styloid is causing compression such as digastric muscle.

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Iā€™m not an expert, & am rubbish with tech so canā€™t annotate your images, but looking at them I think it looks like the C1 process which is compressing the IJV more than the styloid perhaps. It does look compressed, but not as much as some images weā€™ve seen on here, so removing the styloid could give it enough spaceā€¦itā€™s certainly something to discuss with whichever doctor you see. Also good to ask if they remove the styloid right up to skull base, the higher itā€™s removed the better the chances of freeing the IJV & giving you good results.
We have info in the Newbies Guide Section about surgery & suggestions of questions to ask a doctor, hereā€™s a link:
ES Information- Treatment: Surgery - Welcome / Newbies Guide to Eagle Syndrome - Living with Eagle
Iā€™m glad that you can chose a doctor, if there are more than one to chose from!

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Good work, @BraveKat! You did an admirable job in seeing things in your images.

I agree w/ @Chrickychricky that it looks like both IJVs may have some compression. Iā€™ve slightly annotated your 3rd image with arrows.
Red point to the IJVs - you can see theyā€™re flattened & not round as they should be.ā€™
Green point to what I think are the styloids
Orange point to the transverse processes of C1

Iā€™m glad youā€™ve already found a doctor who is willing to work with you. Thatā€™s a great beginning!

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