Please Help Me, I Have Been Experiencing Symptoms That Might be Eagle Syndrome (Mississauga, Canada)

Hi, my name is Sunil, and I am a 27 year-old male. I believe I have been experiencing Eagle Syndrome symptoms since around the end of 2014 but was never able to get a proper diagnosis. It got better and then got worse again. I’ve generally been in chronic pain for many years, but it got worse over time. I was more functional back in the earlier years even though I was experiencing pain, but since the beginning of January 2025, it started to get significantly worse day by day.

My history of surgeries includes: All 4 wisdom teeth extraction surgery done around the beginning of 2014.

Septoplasty for deviated septum done in Summer 2015.

Left lung wedge resection surgery done for spontaneous pneumothorax in August 2017.

Below is my story and symptoms from year to year. Sorry for the long post, I just feel like I should post my entire history to get advice and help from other fellow members.

Symptoms in 2014 include: Neck and arm pain bilaterally. At times, numbness and tingling that felt like brachial plexus issues. I had a cervical spine x-ray done, which came back normal. Sometimes, headaches or pain in the back of my head and eye pain. I would grind my teeth a lot during my sleep and eventually wore a night guard, so I also had jaw pain. I was also using the computer a lot every day and didn’t have the best posture while using it. I started working out with small weights during Summer 2014 and wasn’t stretching enough so I believe some of the pain may have come from that because that’s when I felt most of my pain start to trigger.

2015-2016 was a lot better pain wise, a lot of resting helped. I started to do calisthenics workouts (body weight training) in spring/summer 2016 and I felt good while doing the exercises but after a few months I felt like I slowly injured myself in a way because my neck and arms nerve pain started to flare up. On top of that, one of the pullups exercises I was doing triggered a spontaneous pneumothorax but ended up healing after a few days. After that incident I stopped calisthenics and became a little more sedentary. Also, teeth grinding stopped around this point in 2016.

2017 Symptoms: I started a college course that involved computers, so being sedentary was a lot more common during this period. But I also had a cashier/stocking job at the time, so I guess it was a bit balanced in a way. But I still continued to feel pain in my neck, shoulder, arms, mid back, lower back and trapezius more at this time and felt like any type of movement I did was painful. My posture still wasn’t the greatest. forward head posture was a big thing, so I tried a couple massage therapy sessions/ chiropractic and a little bit of physio, which relieved for a bit but didn’t completely help. Around Summer 2017 is when I got another spontaneous pneumothorax from stretching while I was lying down and went to the hospital to get an x-ray done. Doctors said it was a small tear/opening in the lung that filled up with air, but it wasn’t too bad and would heal in a few days. Weirdest thing ever. It ended up healing again but a few days after it collapsed again and after I went back to the hospital and decided that the surgery should be done to prevent future collapses. After around 2 months of healing, I was still a bit sedentary but also started working the same job again after my healing.

Ending of 2017-2018: I felt more buildup of pressure in the back of my head, deep in my eyes, minor facial pain, neck and arm pain, weird swallowing sensations and constantly feeling the need to yawn. I requested an MRI of head and neck from my family doctor to see if there’s any big damage that has been done. Like usual, they both came back normal according to my doctor.

2019 Symptoms: Still continued to feel the same, not worse but not any better. Around the end of 2019 is when I looked more into better postural changes and habits. I started moving my body a little more than the other years, and I slowly felt a little better, but not completely.

2020 Symptoms: Around March 2020 is when I quit my job due to the COVID-19 pandemic and started looking into calisthenics again. Since I was at home most of the time, I really tried to exercise and keep myself going. But even when I did calisthenics, there would always be nerve pain in my neck, arms, chest and an uncomfortable, slightly painful sensation in my face and eyes. I still felt like “pushing through the pain” but I just ended up doing more damage. I would use a backpack with books and small weights to do pushups, but all of that stopped when the pain started to increase around 2021. I stopped calisthenics again and the pain subsided but was always just there.

2021-2025 Symptoms: I didn’t want to tell myself it was chronic pain even though it had been going on for so many years, but I finally just accepted that it is chronic. My Ego got the best of me in some ways when it came to working out but at the same time there was never a true explanation for the symptoms I have been feeling. I started a job as a housekeeper in 2023 and although it was a really active job, I finally quit June 2025 due to “pushing through the pain” again. Throughout this period, I was also sitting and playing video games a lot.

2025 Symptoms: On neck rotation both sides, I feel eye and facial pain, like it’s impinging a nerve. Extension, flexion (If my head goes forward, especially if I start falling asleep while sitting, it feels like my head is slipping off my spine and I get this shocking feeling down my head and neck, that makes me wake up abruptly; lateral flexion pain increases. Chest, arm, neck, and shoulder pain bilaterally. Intense eye pain both eyes hurt when moving it in different directions/pain when blinking at times, facial pain increased. Some areas in neck/face, chest getting number day by day because the pain is so constant throughout the day, I feel like my nerves don’t ever get a chance to recover or rest. There is pain deep in my nose at times . My brachial plexus on both sides feels like they’re always squeezing. My brainstem feels like it’s being compressed at times, and it feels like blood flow is being cut off, and my head feels heavy/wobbly or like it’s about to fall off. I have not been diagnosed with cervical instability, but it feels like this may be another problem on top of possible Eagle’s Syndrome. Occipital neuralgia and trigeminal neuralgia feel like it’s also happening, but there is no diagnosis on that either. Swallowing pain increased and I get spasming at times. Talking is hard at times throughout the day because I feel pain in the back of my head, throat, and eyes, like some type of nerve irritation that disables me from talking properly. But there’s some days where I can talk better than others. I get burning in my face, neck and front of my throat especially throughout the day but then it goes away and comes back. There is an odd sensation in the middle and back of throat. TMJ issues, opening my jaw hurts the back of head (by my atlas and axis) and eyes, but it is very on and off. I have tinnitus in my left ear, which recently started this year, 2025. Every time I move my mouth side to side, I feel muscles/nerves getting irritated. Sometimes my tongue feels zappy/tingly and I get pain in the two front teeth. I have trouble breathing at times. I also have major problems lying down generally or when I have to sleep. The back of my head feels so sensitive on the pillow, and I also feel immense pressure in my eyes, neck, face and trapezius, chest area (kind of like everything is being pushed back). My quality of life has been significantly lowered, I am not able to do a lot of things I used to do, especially socially interacting and going out; not because I don’t want to but because I’m in pain most of the time. It very much has impacted my mental health.

Tests I have done and doctors/specialists I have seen.

X-ray- Cervical Spine 2015, 2018, 2022, 2025:

Came back negative according to radiologist, but all x-rays show straightening/loss of curve of cervical spine. My C2 bone has been malrotated to the left for a long time and also slight cervical scoliosis and right shoulder higher than left. Just was not mentioned by radiologist.

Throughout the years I have seen many different therapists, but only temporary relief was the outcome. Chiropractic, Massage therapy, acupuncture, dry needling, osteopath, and some physio.

MRI Cervical Spine – March 2025:

I got a cervical spine MRI ordered by a hospital doctor because although I asked my family doctor for neck MRI a couple years after the 2018 one, he denied because he was still going based off the one in 2018. The cervical spine MRI 2025 showed that I have: T2-T3 mild bulging disk and C5-C6 mild stenosis.

Chiropractic Biophysics - April 2025

I booked an appointment to see a chiropractor that deals with a more functional and mechanical correction of spine. He used different machines and exercises that involved mainly extension of the neck, but the pain started to get worse over the couple sessions. When extension of my neck was done or held in a stagnant extended position, it felt like nerves and muscles were being aggravated and caused more pain; so I decided to stop the sessions.

CT Scan Head and Neck with Contrast – June 2025:

I got a CT scan of head and neck done at the ER, but they were trying to rule out vertebral artery dissection. The report also checked for left and right carotid artery stenosis, cervical spine fractures/odontoid process/occipital condyles and neck tissues, which all came back “unremarkable”. No mention of styloid process length was reported. This was done in a still position, no dynamic head movement.

I’ve seen 3 neurologists throughout the previous years. When I explained to them the neck and arm pain I’ve been having, they performed an EMG test on my right arm, which came back negative. Throughout the years I’ve tried to explain more and more of my symptoms, but it was always just an EMG on my right arm and nothing else. Each time it would come back negative. Recently, this year, 2025, I have seen 2 neurologists so far. The first neurologist performed an EMG with a nerve conduction study (NCS) on my right arm. The only thing different this time was the NCS, but those results also came back negative. The second neurologist I seen did a little more than the others. Performed an EMG on my right arm and leg, ordered a Head MRI to look for multiple sclerosis, which all came back negative. Genetic testing was ordered, which I am still waiting for.

I have done blood tests to look for autoimmune or thyroid disorders, but it came back negative.

Dentist – Beginning of July 2025

I had a panoramic X-ray done, but the dentist did not mention any elongated styloid process, only some cavities that I got taken care of with dental fillings.

Upper Cervical Orthogonal Chiropractor – Mid July 2025

I made an appointment to see this chiropractor because he was the only one doing a Digital Motion X-ray (DMX) in the GTA. According to what was seen in the DMX, he said I don’t have cervical instability, but I may possibly have Anterior Atlanto-Occipital Dislocation. He recommended that I have a specific MRI done, but I am still trying to get a requisition from a doctor for it. This chiropractor was also looking for Eagles Syndrome but told me I didn’t have it. That is until I met with a NUCCA chiropractor in September.

Upper Cervical NUCCA Chiropractor - September 2025

I made an appointment to see a NUCCA Chiropractor and from the more specific x-rays he took, he told me I have Eagles Syndrome based on the length. He also said my Atlas is misaligned, so his goal was to get it back in place. I went to a couple sessions, but it still hasn’t helped.

That’s when I started looking more into Eagles Syndrome and downloaded a program called RadiANT to 3D reconstruct my CT Head scan.

Medications:

Some medications I’ve tried were not consistent but used for some days. I’ve tried amitriptyline, gabapentin, pregablin, cyclobenzaprine (flexiril), duloxetine (Cymbalta) made me throw up so I discontinued it, diazepam, zopiclone (to help with sleep).

It really feels like the styloid processes are impinging my cranial nerves, and maybe my internal jugular vein (IJV) and internal carotid artery (ICA) at times. Below are some images of my scans. According to the scans, which other ones do you all recommend getting, concerning cranial nerve impingement, IJV and ICA compression and stylohyoid ligament calcification.

Panoramic Dental X-ray

NUCCA Chiropractor X-ray that identified styloid processes length.

Lateral Cervical Spine

3D reconstruction of my head CT scans using RadiANT

On my left styloid process, it seems to have a gap/separation. 5.07cm

Right Styloid Process (4.71cm)

Atlas Bone/Cervical Spine

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@Sun - Welcome to our forum! The imaging you posted is sufficient to diagnose that you have vascular ES. You’d have to get a FIESTA or CISS MRI to see which nerves are being irritated but we can give you a pretty accurate estimation based on the symptoms you have so getting that done isn’t really necessary.

Your styloids are significantly elongated & appear to be bilaterally compressing your internal jugular veins against the transverse processes of C1 as well as possibly causing compression or irritation to your internal/external carotid arteries (it’s hard to tell which is which due to the angle in the images you sent). I have to say that your cervical curve looks pretty good at this point so the work you did to restore it really helped.

Unfortunately, medical care for ES is hard to find in your country so many of our CA members have come to the US for surgery, however, the fact you’re in Ontario helps as there are a few doctors in Toronto that know about ES but I don’t believe there are any who do surgeries for vES.
Dr. Costantino in NY is closest to you, & Dr. Cognetti in PA offers the lowest price for the surgeries you’ll need to help you feel better, but he’s booked into nearly the middle of next year already because he give priority to his cancer patients so he offers ES appointments & surgeries less frequently.

I’ve listed the doctors we have on our Doctors List for your province below. You may find that some of the CA doctors will offer to put a stent in a compressed IJV but without removing the cause of compression first. That is a recipe for disaster in some cases as the compression is often caused by bones, as in your case, & a stent can be damaged by those bones & block the vein further if it’s put in place w/o them being removed.

Regarding nerves that may be contributing to your symptoms - the trigeminal nerve can cause face, ear, nose & tooth pain; spinal accessory nerve can cause neck, shoulder & arm pain, vagus nerve can affect many parts of the body from pelvis to skull base including the gastrointestinal tract, heart (palpitations, chest pain, blood pressure increase or decrease), voice, swallowing, anxiety level, & breathing, to name a few); the glossopharyngeal nerve can contribute to burning tongue/mouth problems, face pain, & swallowing issues/sore throat; finally the facial nerve can contribute to facial pain.

Vascular compression especially w/ the carotids can cause neck & eye pain, numbness & tingling in the face & limbs, headaches & vertigo, whereas IJV compression causes migraines, pressure in the head (intracranial hypertension), tinnitus, visual changes, brain fog, derealization, & other problems.

Please realize, I’ve only summarized nerve & vascular symptoms & there can be others related to all nerves & vascular tissues I’ve mentioned.

Our members with IJV compression have found that sleeping w/ head/shoulder elevation at night helps them sleep better & reduces pressure in their heads. You can try that going forward to see if that helps you. You can also try icing your neck for 15 min. every couple of hours. Use a thin cloth between ice pack & skin to prevent ice burns.

•Dr Eric Monteiro, Joseph and Wolf Lebovic Health Complex, Mount Sinai Hospital, Toronto 416-586- 4800 (possibly treat ES, he has done a surgery with Dr Ian Witterick, who no longer does ES surgery.) Otolaryngology Care Team | Sinai Health
•Dr Michael Gupta, Hamilton, ON. https://surgery.mcmaster.ca/bio/michael-gupta
•Dr. Hodaie, via St. Michael’s or Toronto Western ENT departments/clinics , Mojgan Hodaie | Department of Surgery

•Dr Peter Costantino, 4 Westchester Park Dr, 4th floor, White Plains, (914) 517-8056
http://www.nyhni.org/find-a-physician/Peter-D-Costantino-MD,FACS .
Does do online or phone consults.

•Dr David Cognetti, Thomas Jefferson University Hospital, Philadelphia 215- 955- 6760 (Has done many successful surgeries on members). Only removes ligaments if calcified. Works with Dr Heller now to do C1 shaves
David M Cognetti MD | Jefferson Health Does do online or phone consults.

If you post any future scans, please make sure your name & any other personal information is hidden or deleted. I removed your name from the images you posted. Our forum is visible to the public so we do our best to protect our members’ privacy & that’s one thing that helps.

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@Sun welcome to the forum.

The best view to assess vascular compression is the axial view. Particularly at the level of C1, the full lengths of styloids, the hyoid greater horns and thyroid cartilage.

If you want, I can take a thorough look through your CT. Members usually put their CT files into a google drive folder and then private message me a link to the folder. You would no longer be anonymous to me but I wouldn’t be sharing any of your personal information. Members find it helpful to take the images I annotate to their doctors to advocate for proper care.

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I agree with @Isaiah_40_31 about the compression, & hopefully if you can get your imaging uploaded the @TML can look too… It’s crazy when people have images like yours with unexplained neck pain that radiologists don’t think to comment on styloids! Given your arm symptoms- which can sometimes be due to compression of the spinal accessory nerve too- have you ever been assessed for Thoracic Outlet Syndrome? We have quite a few members who have both ES & TOS…
You mention trying some nerve pain meds, but these usually have to be taken consistently for a few weeks to see if they help, if some of them didn’t have bad side effects, it might be worth trying again?

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Hi, thank you so much for your reply. I really appreciate all the information you’ve given. It does explain a lot of the symptoms I have been feeling over the years. I’m just a little bit frightened, due to some areas feeling number over the past couple of years and more significantly, over the past few months this year. That gap with my left styloid process, what do you think that could be? Are there any other views of my 3D reconstruction I can post, so you can have a better view? And I forgot to mention something regarding my cervical curve and a biophysics chiropractor in April 2025. I will edit that into my post, along with a few more things and a recent image of my cervical spine from a side view.. Every time I try to correct my posture, especially by my head and neck, like for example chin tucks or sitting up straight, it makes my head, neck and face pain worse (movement or exercise in general). I will try that elevation for sleeping at night and also the ice pack. I definitely won’t do the stent, thank you for letting me know. Are C1 shaves always necessary, or would styloidectomy be enough to relieve compression of IJV. The reason I ask is because I feel like my head will feel more unstable if the transverse processes are shaved. Did you have vES or regular ES? Are there any other types of imaging you recommend getting to show a doctor or ENT like, Dynamic/Doppler Ultrasound to check for blood flow, Dynamic CT SCAN with rotation of head and any specific scan to check for Calcified Stylohyoid Ligament? Also, thank you for removing my name and personal information, I didn’t realize it was showing up.

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Hi, thank you so much for your reply. I don’t mind sending you my CT Head and Neck scan at all. I will put it into a google drive folder and message you privately. I would really appreciate you having a look at it.

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Hi, thank you so much for the reply, very much appreciated. Yes, I will send the imaging to @TML. I know right, it’s honestly sad that things like this go undiagnosed or looked into. It honestly feels like my spinal accessory nerve is being compressed because other than my arms, my scm and trapezius don’t feel right, like its very restricted. One of the physiotherapists I went to said I do have TOS according to the Adson’s/Reverse Adson’s test, but that was the only test I’ve ever had done concerning TOS. The medications make me feel so sluggish and drowsy, but I should maybe try the gabapentin again.

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@Sun - Numbness is usually a nerve symptom. Other nerve symptoms are tingling, burning, sharp pain zaps, stabbing pain or achiness. Numbness can also be caused by irritation/compression of the carotid artery(ies) in the form of TIAs, however, numbness of that sort will occur only on one side of the body & usually affects, for example, the whole half of the face & possible the arm/hand on that side.
I just revisited your imaging, & in one, it appears your right ICA is being compressed by the C1 vertebra which is something I haven’t seen before:

My guess is that your left styloid is normal length but you have significant calcification of your stylohyoid ligament on that side which effectually acts as an elongated styloid process.

Chin tucks, though often used to help correct problems in the cervical spine should not be done when one has an ES diagnosis as they almost always exacerbate symptoms as you noted. We’ve begun to counsel our members that it’s best to wait until after styloidectomy/vascular decompression surgery to work on lordotic curve restoration as it’s possible that loss of the curve is one way the body compensates to try to take pressure off a compressed IJV

C1 shaves are not always necessary. Just getting the styloid cut close to the skull base so it’s no longer putting pressure on the IJV can be enough for the IJV to reopen on its own.

I started w/ bilateral regular ES but had a cycling accident w/ a head injury between my two surgeries. That caused C1 to shift to the left which began my vES journey, but I didn’t recognize the symptoms until 6 years after my second styloidectomy. I had my third ES surgery last October for a revision styloidectomy & IJV decompression. I did not need a C1 shave.

You most likely don’t need another CT scan. An ultrasound done using the proper protocol can measure blood flow velocity at various points along the IJV between skull base & collar bone. Increased velocity at points along that course can indication areas of compression.

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It’s difficult, & you’d have to be guided by whichever surgeon you have a consult with- sometimes just a styloidectomy is enough, but it does look like there’s some compression from your C1 as well. Obviously we’re not doctors on here though. Whether or not a C1 shave makes instability worse has been debated, and unfortunately not even the doctors agree!
Your imaging I would think would be enough for some of the VES doctors, depends who you see, but Dr Nakaji likes to have a dynamic manometry flow CT venogram before he sees people usually, & I think Dr Hepworth sometimes likes an ultrasound done. Although it would be nice to have testing done before you see the doctors, they often have specific protocols for how they like the testing done, so best to either wait or find out for sure if you were to have any other testing… what you have had should be fine for Dr Costantino or Dr Cognetti though…

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@Sun see attached annotated imaging (4 here and 2 in a following post)

At the level of C1, both your IJVs are wedged between your styloids and C1.

A bit further down (around C2) both of your styloids come in direct contact with your ECAs.

At the level of the hyoid, your right greater horn is in very close proximity to your carotid bifurcation on that side (where the ICAs and ECAs merge/separate). Similar is seen on the left side, but not as close.

At the level of the thyroid cartilage, which is off center/slanted to the right (off-centered thyroid appears to be fairly common), the right posterior portion of the thyroid cartilage is in very close proximity to your vertebrae at that level.

Just a reminder that I am not a doctor nor radiologist!

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Here is 3D models of your styloids/calcified stylohyoid ligaments with rough measurement estimations.

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Yeah, the zaps, tingling, burning I’ve been getting a lot, sometimes sharp pain by my chest area. Ah okay I see, I’m glad TIA hasn’t been present according to my symptoms, but that’s still a risk right? Oh wow, I do have a lot of instability for C1 to be compressing ICA like that.

Okay, that makes, sense. That’s a lot of calcification :frowning:

That explains all these these years why I’ve been trouble to them even slightly. I remember explaining to some of the physiotherapists that I’m not able to chin tuck without major pain. But the answer was always just, “it’s going to hurt at first”. I can’t really blame them though, they didn’t know about Eagle’s. That also explains why I had pain with trying to restore my curve with the biophysics chiropractor and why I keep my head a little forward to relieve some pressure.

Okay, that’s good to hear to be honest.

Oh man, I’m really sorry to hear that you had to go through all of that, must of been an extremely tough time. But I’m very happy to hear that you pushed through and had your surgeries done successfully. Also, okay I will see if I can get that type of ultrasound done. Should I ask for a dynamic doppler ultrasound for IJV/ICA between skull base & collar bone?

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Ah, okay I see. Yeah, I guess it depends on the surgeon and going with the flow in a way. Hopefully I won’t have to get a C1 shave done. Is the dynamic manometry flow CT venogram to show compression of arteries and veins with head movement, or just veins? Yeah, I’ll probably just have to wait and see which ENT I can speak with before I get another scan done

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Thank you for taking the time to review, report and 3D reconstruct my imaging, very much appreciated. It seems like there is a lot going on :frowning: . At the level of the hyoid, is my right and left greater horn close to my carotid bifurcation because of stylohyoid calcification? And when it comes to the thyroid cartilage, do you know if a different surgery has to be done regarding the close right posterior proximity to my vertebrae?

Is this RadiANT also? It’s a much better view. Man, my left stylohyoid is very calcified. And my right styloid itself just very long, but little calcification. Are both styloids from the skull base also thicker than it should be?

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@Sun - Below is the US protocol Dr. Hepworth refers his patients to receive. It’s done using the valsalva maneuver intermittently, but I don’t know how the tech decides when that should be done. Perhaps it’s when an area with higher velocity blood flow shows as that is an indicator of compression:

2024_02_20 Protocol Ultrasound Hepworth 1.pdf (783.4 KB)

…when it comes to the thyroid cartilage, do you know if a different surgery has to be done regarding the close right posterior proximity to my vertebrae?

There are ENT surgeons who do the surgery for this if it’s needed, however, it may be hard to find someone who will do both your ES surgery as well as hyoid bone/thyroid cartilage if they are also necessary to be treated. We have several doctors on our Doctors List who do Hyoid Bone Syndrome surgeries & they will also deal with excess thyroid cartilage calcification.

I’m not sure what you mean by “little calcification” of your right styloid. You have a lot of calcification of your stylohoid ligament on the right as that is what has made your right styloid appear elongated. Your right styloid does appear very thick at the top. The calcification of the stylohyoid ligament on the left looks kind of average to me as far as thickness goes. I think since the picture is so close up, it makes it look thick.

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@Sun it’s hard to say whether the greater horns are close to the carotid bifurcations due to the calcifications or not. It’s possible that the calcifications are causing the hyoid to be pulled posterior causing the greater horns to be pulled posteriorly as well. I also want to mention that it’s normal to see greater horns by arteries, but vasovagal responses are more likely to occur if they are close to the carotid bifurcation/sinus specifically.

Not sure if your thyroid cartilage is causing any problems. It wouldn’t be vascular, but it could be getting caught on your vertebrae sometimes when you swallow.

Could be best to first get the styloids/stylohyoid ligaments dealt with and see how symptoms change before worrying too much about the other stuff. You will want them cut above C1 to allow the IJVs to open up. Not all surgeons do it so you’ll have to verify.

Yes, opened your imaging on radiant, chose the series with the most slices (I think it was the axial view maybe) and clicked 3D. Then I used the scalpel tool to delete the jaw and anterior skull. I also set it to bone view.

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Nice to meet you virtually. I can totally relate to your story. I am also Canadian. This support group gave me so much information and hope.

Please keep us posted.

Audrey

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Okay, thank you for sending the protocol. I’m still going to check in with Dr. Constantino and Dr. Cognetti. How much does Dr. Cognetti charge for bilateral surgery? And if you don’t mind me asking, how much was it for a bilateral surgery with Dr. Hepworth for you?

Ah I see okay, I will check out that list, thank you

Okay, that makes sense. A lot of calcification over the years :frowning:

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Ohh, okay got it, thank you.

That makes sense also

Yeah, I should take it one step at a time. You mean cut the styloids down to the length where it’s above C1?

Ah okay, that’s good to know, thank you!

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Hi, nice to meet you also. I’m glad this support group can keep you going. Everyone on here has been so helpful and kind. I will keep everyone posted

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