Some symptoms returned after 2nd surgery

My son, Ben had his second styloidectomy on May 8, when Dr. Fargen operated on the left side. Unfortunately, some of his symptoms have returned, and he is still having the episodes that have been referred to as “pseudo-seizures.”

After his first surgery on the right side, we saw meaningful improvement. His episodes decreased by at least 50%, along with improvements in several other symptoms. However, after the second surgery, the episodes and other symptoms gradually increased again.

I messaged Dr. Fargen more than a week ago asking what testing should be done to make sure there is no remaining or additional compression. Ben also has calcification involving his hyoid bone, so I do not know whether that could be contributing to his symptoms.

Dr. Fargen’s office originally contacted me and said Plavix could be considered. However, Ben frequently falls, and when he is in pain he may hit his head, so I do not feel that a blood-thinning medication is safe for him. I responded by asking what imaging or other testing we should pursue instead, but I have not yet received an answer. I plan to call the office again tomorrow.

Because Ben is a nonverbal adult with autism and cannot cooperate with most testing, he will need to be sedated for any detailed imaging.

The surgeries themselves went very well, with minimal swelling and no visible external inflammation. We were told that the compression was widely decompressed. Dr. Fargen was able to shave the C1 area on the right side, but he could not shave the C1 on the left because of the position of jugular vein and the risk involved.

Has anyone experienced symptoms returning after bilateral styloidectomies? What imaging or testing did your doctors order to evaluate for remaining jugular compression, residual styloid, C1 involvement, or hyoid-related compression? Any suggestions or experiences would be greatly appreciated.

I have anomalies of the hyoid bone and calcified stylohyoid muscles. I had surgery on one side, the right side. They only performed a resection of the transverse process of C1 on the right side, but they did not remove the calcified muscles, even though I requested it.And do you have CT / MRI scans , lo and after surgery ?

No my son has not had any testing after surgery but he had CT with contrast and cone beam scans before surgery which showed compression. He will need to be sedated and we need to know exactly what tests should be done to check for additional compression.

Oh no, I’m so sorry that Ben is having symptoms return, after all he’s been through…We’ve had some members who felt better after their initial styloidectomy/ C1 shave, but then relapsed and needed the second side operating on, but not so common to go backwards after the second side. I wonder if it’s scar tissue forming from the surgery? There have been some discussions about cold laser therapy which can help, but I presume Ben would have to keep very still for that, so that may well be an issue?

It might otherwise be worth trying PT for Ben in case he has muscle tension which could be contributing? Would that be possible for him, obviously if you can avoid more invasive testing then it’s worth trying conservative methods first… @BraveKat also mentioned a treatment called Neubie, which is a very gentle massage treatment. And this organisation has been mentioned as helpful post-surgery to get muscles back working again:

Programs and Remote Services — PRISM

Some members have had narrowed veins in the brain so have gone on to have stents in these, here’s a video that @BirdsOfSore posted:

“Intracranial Venous Stenting for Idiopathic Intracranial Hypertension” - Kenneth C. Liu, MD

I understand your worries about Ben being on blood thinners; there are some supplements which some members have tried instead, whether that might be safer for him? There’s info here:

ES Information- Treatment: Pain Relief, Medications and Alternative Therapies - Welcome / Newbies Guide to Eagle Syndrome - Living with Eagle

I hope others can chip in with things which have helped them…

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@KarenG - I’m was thinking about you & Ben the other day & was very hopeful he is doing well. So frustrating for both of you that he’s had this set back. He is still just a couple of months out from his second surgery, so with more time, perhaps his “seizure” activity could reduce again, but since it’s obviously a bigger problem than nerve pain, it’s good you’re looking for an answer as to what’s causing it. Is there a medication he can be given that helps reduce the seizure-like activity?

From what you’ve said it sounds like Dr. Fargen did thorough IJV decompression which is excellent news. I’m sorry you haven’t received a response from him about what possible next steps could be for Ben. I agree w/ what @Jules said about scar tissue possibly causing vascular or nerve compression again or that there could be vascular stenosis in Ben’s brain, but I understand how difficult it will be for Ben to receive more diagnostic imaging.

I wish I could offer some help, but I can only offer to pray for you to have divine guidance as to the most appropriate next steps & doctor(s) to help Ben. :hugs:

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I don’t have much useful info - my first surgery is going to be Oct 5 - but did Fargen say that his inability to shave C1 on the left could contribute to these episodes? I know Dr. Costantino is sort of the C1 expert, could you perhaps consult with him? My consult with him was covered by insurance, though my insurance has been very good. I have some friends with non-verbal or not-very-verbal autistic kids, and my heart goes out to you in having Ben deal with this stuff too.

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